8 Passengers Fallout: Divorce Finalized as Ruby Franke Serves Prison Time

8 Passengers Fallout: Divorce Finalized as Ruby Franke Serves Prison Time

8 Passengers Fallout: Divorce Finalized as Ruby Franke Serves Prison Time

The story of Ruby Franke officially closed a major chapter this week as a Utah judge signed off on her divorce from Kevin Franke—marking the legal end to a marriage that once played out in front of millions on YouTube, before unraveling in one of the most disturbing child abuse cases the state has seen in years.

It’s now on paper: the marriage that began in 2000, spanned six children, and was broadcast through a curated lens on the “8 Passengers” channel, is over. But the real story isn’t the divorce. It’s the fact that Kevin Franke is now the sole legal guardian of their four remaining minor children—kids who were, until recently, trapped in an abusive nightmare behind the closed doors of a so-called parenting enterprise.

Let’s rewind to how we got here. In August 2023, the illusion broke. One of the youngest Franke children—emaciated, injured, and desperate—escaped out of a window from the home of Jodi Hildebrandt in Ivins, Utah. That home wasn’t a safehouse. It was a crime scene. The boy went to a neighbor’s house asking for food and water, and what they saw led them to call police immediately. Authorities later found his sister in similar condition.

The two women at the center—Ruby Franke and her business partner, Jodi Hildebrandt—were arrested and eventually admitted to four counts each of aggravated child abuse, a second-degree felony. According to Washington County Attorney Eric Clarke, the kids had been kept in conditions he described as “concentration camp-like.” We're talking about extreme malnutrition, physical injuries, emotional torment—the works.

Ruby Franke is now serving at least four years in Utah State Prison, with four consecutive sentences of one to fifteen years each. She’s admitted to a range of abuses, including physically torturing her son, dunking his head underwater, forcing him into strenuous physical tasks, and making both children stand in direct sunlight for long periods without food or water. This wasn’t “tough love.” It was cruelty, systemized and delivered under the pretense of discipline.

Meanwhile, the divorce paperwork went through the usual formalities. Filed under “irreconcilable differences”—which feels like calling a wildfire a small campfire. Kevin Franke submitted the signed stipulation in early March, and by March 20th, Judge Roger Griffin finalized the divorce decree.

Under the agreement, Kevin walks away with full custody, their Springville home, and a 2.8-acre property in Scofield. Ruby gets to keep $85,000 she withdrew before they split, but the rest of the couple’s joint financial accounts go to Kevin, with the exception of an investment account in her name.

Kevin also agreed not to pursue child support from Ruby, effectively considering anything owed already paid. It’s a move that might say more about his priorities—focused on healing the kids rather than fighting over dollars. Neither side asked for alimony. Apparently, they both have what they need to move on—at least financially.

What’s more, despite everything, Ruby Franke has chosen to keep the last name “Franke.” Whether that’s a legal convenience or something deeper is anyone’s guess, but it’s a curious choice given the devastation tied to that name now.

Both Ruby and Jodi Hildebrandt accepted plea deals that cut their total charges from six to four. But make no mistake—the weight of what they admitted to remains enormous. They each face up to 60 years behind bars, though with Utah's system, they’ll be eligible for parole after four.

At her sentencing, Ruby addressed her children, thanking the police for “saving them”—and, she said, saving her. She claimed that being handcuffed was the beginning of her freedom, describing herself as so twisted by manipulation that she believed “dark was light and right was wrong.” It’s a haunting statement, especially when you consider the cost it came with.

In the end, the legal lines are drawn. Kevin Franke has custody. Ruby Franke has convictions. And six children are now trying to rebuild a childhood that was shattered under the watchful eye of a camera and the hidden weight of abuse.

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"How did two individuals seemingly manage to pull the wool over so many eyes, manipulating systems and minds to their advantage?"    In a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski delves into the unsettling tales of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrant. With Lori Hellis, an author and criminal defense lawyer, they shed light on the complexities surrounding these figures, who, under the veneer of respectability, allegedly perpetuated a web of deceit.    For the uninitiated, on the surface, Franke, as Brueski observes, appeared to be nothing more than "a strict parent." However, scratch beneath the surface and a much more sinister portrait emerges. "She really tried to massage this image and portray herself in one way where what we're learning, if true, [is] quite a monster on the other side," Brueski remarked. This observation becomes even more chilling as we learn that even Franke's own sisters were reportedly unaware of her activities.    What is particularly alarming in these narratives is the seeming pattern of isolation. Hildebrant, much like Franke, seems to have a propensity for pushing away those who raise concerns. Hellis draws a parallel with the Lori Vallow case, stating, "We saw it in the Lori Vallow case. I mean, she cut off her entire family on the Cox side of the family. She cut them all off because they questioned what she was doing." This behavioral trait – the isolation from family and friends – appears to be a recurring theme among individuals exhibiting narcissistic tendencies.    As the conversation progressed, the connection to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) emerged. Both Franke and Hildebrant had affiliations with the church, and what Hellis reveals next is indeed troubling.    "Here's what I find very troubling about the Hildebrand and Frankie case," Hellis began. Jodi Hildebrand, notably a therapist with an MSW in social work, was reportedly on numerous church referral lists. This means that she was actively receiving clients from the church, with church leaders referring members to her for therapeutic sessions. The implications of such a dynamic become deeply problematic when the depth of Hildebrant's alleged actions is considered.    In a revealing interview, Jodi Hildebrand's niece, Jessie, unveiled that she was subjected to Hildebrant's so-called therapeutic techniques. More alarming is that Jessie was tasked with handling the billing for Hildebrant's "therapy practice." What left Jessie deeply disturbed was the revelation that "about 80 percent of the billing was being paid for by the LDS church."    The LDS Church, known for its compassionate endeavors, would fund counseling sessions for members in need. In this twisted tale, not only was the church unintentionally endorsing someone potentially causing harm, but it was also financially supporting it. As Brueski poignantly notes, while there's nothing inherently wrong with church-funded counseling, the misuse and abuse of such a system are "sickening."    The Franke-Hildebrant narrative forces us to question the systems in place, their vulnerabilities, and the lengths to which individuals might go to exploit them. The intertwining of personal ambition, alleged malpractice, and institutional trust provides a cautionary tale about vigilance, accountability, and the ever-present danger of deception lurking beneath seemingly benign exteriors.    "In a world where appearances can be manipulated, how do we ensure that those entrusted with power and influence remain true to their responsibilities?" Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

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Were Mommy Bloggers Preying On Vulnerable LDS Members?

Were Mommy Bloggers Preying On Vulnerable LDS Members?

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Explosive NEW Allegations Surface Against Jodi Hildebrandt

Explosive NEW Allegations Surface Against Jodi Hildebrandt

In the ever-evolving realm of therapy and mental health, the importance of trust and credibility is paramount. But for Jodi Hildebrandt, a notable therapist with a previously established reputation, a series of alarming testimonials threaten to dismantle her professional standing. A recent expose on the popular podcast "Murder in the Morning" showcased disturbing reviews from former clients of Hildebrandt's therapy programs, raising serious questions about the ethics and efficacy of her methods.    Former client Dan's testimonial paints a troubling picture: "Jodi Hildabrandt's teachings cost me my marriage. She used shame as control," he revealed. He also accuses Hildebrandt of overbilling, citing instances where the therapist would charge for entire sessions even when plagued by connectivity issues. More concerning, Dan claims multiple breaches of client confidentiality, a fundamental tenet of therapy, alleging that Hildebrandt disclosed personal client information.    However, it's not just individual sessions that have come under scrutiny. The organizations associated with Hildebrandt, ConneXions Classroom and Moms of Truth, were flagged by another reviewer for perpetuating "destructive division." This anonymous female reviewer conceded that while there were positive teachings, they were overshadowed by instances of undue shaming. She went on to liken the behavior of Hildebrandt and her colleague Ruby to a "cult-like mentality."    Perhaps one of the most startling reviews came from a self-identified established therapist who trained under Jodi for a year. "I saw her tear apart families and destroy relationships," the therapist claimed, further stating a belief in Hildebrandt's malevolent intentions.    The controversy extends to interference in family dynamics. Calvin alleges that Jodi manipulated his children against him on the testimony of their mother, with whom she allegedly had no permission to communicate. He claims Jodi's advice led his children to sever all forms of contact with him.    Anna Marie and others, like Vincent and Dashi Stock, raise concerns over purported "brainwashing tactics" and slander. They all sound the alarm on the potential emotional and mental harm stemming from interactions with Hildebrandt and her associated entities.    Interestingly, Hildebrandt's alleged attempts to control her public image seem to spill over to online platforms. Christopher Edmondson highlights her practice of suppressing dissenting voices on her social media channels, describing a pattern of blocking or removing comments that challenge her teachings. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Delphi Murders: Inside the Crime, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Malevolent Mormon Mommys, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

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How Did Ruby Franke's Husband Ignore the Alleged Abuse Of His Wife?

How Did Ruby Franke's Husband Ignore the Alleged Abuse Of His Wife?

When a loved one is responsible for grave misconduct, would you notice? A recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers" delved into the puzzling dynamics of the Ruby Hildebrandt case, raising questions about her husband's knowledge and involvement. Ruby Hildebrandt’s parenting methods, as described in the podcast, bordered on the sadistic. Host Tony Brueski referenced her husband's claims that he is now focused on doing what's best for his kids, following the revelations. He wishes to rebuild relationships and even heal past traumas without indulging in the blame game.    Shavaun Scott, a psychotherapist and author, weighed in on the matter. "Clearly he was present when the parenting was going on, at least a lot of it, the very punitive and strict and almost sadistic ways that Ruby treated the children." Scott highlighted the complexities of realizing the severity of a situation when the perpetrator is someone close to you.    Ruby’s husband, despite being an academically accomplished individual, seemed to have lacked insight into his wife’s actions. "You can be a very intelligent person and have zero insight," said Scott. This observation brings forth a significant concern: the husband's possible victimhood. Was he also under Ruby's manipulative hold or genuinely oblivious to the ongoing abuse?    The podcast hinted at a wider audience becoming aware of the abuse through a YouTube channel, while Ruby’s husband seemingly remained in the dark. It suggested a theory wherein Ruby, much like Laurie Daybell, another infamous case discussed, utilized her charming persona and particular use of language to veil her sinister actions. Scott added, "It could confuse a person who doesn’t have a lot of insight, and who knows the ways that their relationship operated and the ways that she took the power and control."    The profound damage done to the children is undeniable, but Scott sees a potential silver lining in therapy. Addressing the husband’s possible realization, she said, "Maybe, you know, it is a light bulb moment for him." However, acknowledging the wrongdoings is only the first step. True reparation will undoubtedly be a long and strenuous journey, especially with the children.    She ended her analysis with a poignant remark, expressing intrigue in taking him on as a therapy patient. "It may sound odd, but this would be a fun one looking at it as a therapist to try to do some therapy with him and see how much insight he can really develop."    So, as we delve deeper into this unsettling narrative of the Ruby Hildebrandt case, the question remains: How often do individuals remain blind to the actions of their loved ones, and when they do see, is it ever too late to make amends? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

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Was Ruby Franke's Husband Also A Victim Of Her Abuse?

Was Ruby Franke's Husband Also A Victim Of Her Abuse?

When faced with a family scandal of immense proportions, the world tends to divide into two sides: those who stand by the accused and those who denounce them. But what happens when the lines are blurred, and the innocence of a parent is questioned? In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, hosted by Tony Brueski, a compelling dialogue with Defense Attorney and Host of "Defense Diaries," Bob Motta, delves deep into this gray area, examining the involvement of Kevin Frankie, a father caught in a vortex of allegations against his spouse.    Kevin Frankie's wife, Ruby, is currently incarcerated, along with Jodi Hildebrand. While Kevin asserts his primary focus is on doing what's best for his children, his statements and actions have led many to question his true motives. Was he genuinely unaware of his wife's alleged misconduct, or was he a silent bystander or even, possibly, an active participant?    "Is he really just trying to cover his tracks right now and be the good guy when maybe he was looking the other way for quite some time, or who knows?" Tony Brueski posits. It's a question that strikes at the heart of the matter, drawing attention to the possibility that Kevin might have been more involved, or at least aware, than he lets on.    However, as Motta astutely points out, the most critical testimony in this convoluted case will come from the children themselves. "What I care about is what the kids are going to say," says Motta. These children, being older and not toddlers, have a comprehensive understanding of what transpired and their testimonies could play a pivotal role in shaping the outcome.    The delicate balance of family dynamics comes to the fore when one considers the psychological and emotional burden the children bear. They find themselves in the unenviable position of potentially having both their parents imprisoned, and the choices they make regarding their testimonies will inevitably reflect their struggles with this reality.    In a notable remark made by Kevin's attorney, Kevin was cited as being keen on reaching out to his children, family, and friends to address and heal from past traumas. Such a statement could be interpreted in several ways. Is Kevin referring to the actions of his wife, Ruby, or hinting at his own complicity or passive involvement?    Tony Brueski hints at a deeper, more introspective realization Kevin might be experiencing: "Maybe I wasn't the best dad. Maybe I looked the other way on some things." This sentiment is mirrored by Motta, who emphasizes the overwhelming guilt parents often feel when they believe they've failed their children.    The dynamic between Ruby and Kevin is further complicated by the financial aspect. Their streaming venture was lucrative, with Ruby seemingly holding significant influence due to her being the "star of the show." This monetary power could have been a tool of manipulation, allowing Ruby to exert control over Kevin, as Motta theorizes, comparing the situation to cases where one partner holds financial dominance over the other.    In the end, the episode paints a harrowing picture of a family torn apart, not just by alleged misconduct but also by the complexities of their interpersonal relationships and external influences.    However, one question remains: Was Kevin Frankie truly an unsuspecting victim in this chaos, or was his silence an indication of complicity? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

28 Sep 20238min

How Mommy Blogger Normalized ABNORMAL Behavior

How Mommy Blogger Normalized ABNORMAL Behavior

What drives an individual to the brink where fame and attention take precedence over the welfare of their own children? In the recent episode of "Hidden Killers," Tony Brueski delves into the perplexing and deeply disturbing case of Ruby Franke with Robin Dreeke, retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program.    Brueski ponders the motivations behind Franke and Jody Hildebrandt's actions: "Was it money? Was it control? Was it delusions of the religious beliefs that they held?" These haunting questions set the stage for a deep dive into the psyche and motivations of individuals pushed to extremes by societal pressures.    Dreeke reflects on the videos of Franke's sisters and describes the apparent competition between them. "It screams of the disease of a cult of more and the disease of comparison between sisters." The sisters, each with their own vlogging careers, seem to be caught in an insidious competition. He notes, "Ruby just went above and beyond because she wasn't getting the attention that she thought she deserved. She wanted more views."    But why this incessant need for attention? Dreeke further explains that the environment in which the Franke family thrived spoke of one-upmanship. "What drove them to that? What sort of tendency made them all feel that this is the way to go?" Brueski added, reflecting on the oddity of every adult sister in the family vlogging for a living.    The conversation then turns to an even more profound issue – the difference between "informers" and "me formers." Dreeke suggests that while informers put out information for the benefit of others, "me formers" are centered around self-promotion, often rationalizing their actions as beneficial for their audience. The Franke family, according to Dreeke, seems to consist mainly of "me formers."    In the case of Ruby Franke, her quest for fame and attention, combined with her competitive nature, seems to have overshadowed her moral compass, leading to the grave mistreatment of her own children. "She was in competition in her own mind against them to better them, to make herself feel better, to make herself feel valued for whatever insecurity," Dreeke hypothesizes.    One of the most chilling aspects of the discussion revolves around the normalization of abnormal behavior. Dreeke equates the situation to a "slow boiling frog" where people start accepting and normalizing behavior at a gradual level. By the time the severity of the situation is realized, it has escalated to alarming levels.    Brueski laments the missed red flags, "There were a lot of people for a long time that felt that Ruby was off." Yet, even with these warnings, it took an extreme situation – a child escaping from her custody – for decisive action to be taken. Dreeke urges listeners to recognize the signs and speak out: "See something, say something."    The conversation wrapped with a somber reflection on the pressures of modern society. The relentless drive for attention, validation, and comparison can lead individuals down dangerous paths. Dreeke emphasizes, "You were in a slow boiling kettle and you didn't realize that you were being manipulated by her normalizing abnormal behavior gradually."    As the story of Ruby Franke continues to unfold, it serves as a stark reminder of the dangers of unchecked ambition and the dark side of social media fame.    In today's world, where the quest for likes, views, and subscribers often supersedes genuine human connection, one must ask: How can we ensure the line between reality and the digital world doesn't blur to the point of no return? Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

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