AudioBlog (Part I & II) APRO, MUFON, and the Cash-Landrum Case

AudioBlog (Part I & II) APRO, MUFON, and the Cash-Landrum Case

After Project Blue Book was shut down in 1969, private UFO groups were the only organizations left in the U.S. that would take UFO reports, and the two biggest were the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization. Donald Keyhoe was ousted as NICAP’s director just three days before the December 17, 1969, press release announcing Blue Book’s termination, and NICAP quickly became a shadow of its former self while APRO, run by its founders Jim and Coral Lorenzen, remained a formidable and influential organization. That same year, a group of APRO investigators living in the Midwest organized by Walt Andrus as the Tri State Study Group, decided on May 31st to branch off from APRO and operate as the Midwest UFO Network. This was in reaction to the Lorenzens’ move towards a more centralized management strategy seeking to direct all field investigations from their office in Tucson, Arizona. The Lorenzens, particularly Coral, who had a reputation for being contentious (she frequently took out her ire in the pages of the APRO Bulletin, and her earliest targets as far back as 1952 were Albert K. Bender and James W. Moseley) took the Midwestern group’s decision personally and held a grudge for years to come. The Midwest UFO Network soon outgrew its Midwestern boundaries and the name was changed to the Mutual UFO Network in 1973. A rivalry developed between the two, and this resulted in clashes when they happened to converge on a given case, and a prime example of this is the 1981 Cash-Landrum case. Read more →

Part II
n last week’s blog, we began looking at documents that provide a behind the scenes look at the rivalry between the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization and the Mutual UFO Network. APRO was founded in 1952 by Coral and Jim Lorenzen and MUFON was founded in 1969 by members who split off from APRO amidst bad feelings. Things came to a head during the investigation of the 1981 Cash-Landrum incident. As it was reported to have taken place in Huffman, Texas, APRO handed the case over to the director of the Houston-based Vehicle Internal Systems Investigative Team, John Schuessler, who was also the deputy director of MUFON. Coral wrote an article one and a half years after the reported incident that was published in the June 1982 Vol 30, No. 6 APRO Bulletin headlined “Rumors Permeate Cash-Landrum Case” wherein she claimed to know that what witnesses Betty Cash, Vickie Landrum, and Colby Landrum saw was a “U.S. experimental aircraft.” She also insinuated that Schuessler, MUFON director Walt Andrus, and former Project Blue Book consultant and founding director of the Center for UFO Studies J. Allen Hynek were part of a cover-up as they all had ties to various government organizations. Schuessler responded with a five-page letter to Jim Lorenzen defending himself and pleaded that if APRO had real knowledge of what it was the witnesses saw, he should share it as all three witnesses, particularly Betty Cash, seemed to have suffered the effects of radiation poisoning. This week, we’ll begin with Coral’s response. Read more →

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AudioBlog- A 1972 UFO and Creature Encounter Report From Florida

AudioBlog- A 1972 UFO and Creature Encounter Report From Florida

Original Blog by Charles Lear: https://podcastufo.com/a-1972-ufo-and-creature-report-from-florida/ In 1972, Norman R. Chastain, a Jacksonville electrician, claimed he had a chilling face-to-face encounter with a UFO and a strange “devil-looking creature” while night fishing near Blount Island in Florida. For two years, he kept silent—afraid of ridicule—until a lecture by Stanton Friedman inspired him to come forward. Chastain described a glowing, half-sphere UFO with flashing orange and blue lights, and later, a bizarre humanoid figure in a silver-grey suit with pointed ears, glassy eyes, and a strange device that paralyzed him with a blinding flash. His story grew stranger when, days later, he discovered mushroom-like “flesh-colored heads” growing in his backyard, which he thought were connected to the UFO. The case was covered in the Jacksonville Journal in 1974 and later revisited in UFO Report magazine by B. Ann Slate, who called it one of the most unique UFO cases ever reported. Was Chastain’s story a mix of reality, hallucination, and misunderstood natural phenomena—or a genuine extraterrestrial encounter? Join us as we break down one of Florida’s strangest UFO encounters, its connection to the Kelly-Hopkinsville Goblins, and the curious aftermath that left investigators puzzled to this day.UFO Books by Charles Lear: 👉 https://tinyurl.com/mptc57f2 Support the Show & Stay Connected!👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/ufo-encounter-voicemail🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website:https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

29 Aug 8min

692. Gene & Natalja Sticco | Soviet UFO Documents

692. Gene & Natalja Sticco | Soviet UFO Documents

In this exclusive interview, Martin Willis speaks with Gene and Natalja Sticco about a mysterious set of Soviet-era UFO research papers that surfaced within their family. Originating from Natalja's father, who was a so called "plumber". The papers, translated and available online, show remarkable consistency with official Soviet research methods—yet carry no explicit markings of authenticity. Gene and Natalja recount their journey of safeguarding the originals through a legal trust, the family ties hinting at their father-in-law’s connection to rumored Soviet UFO programs, and the challenges of balancing preservation, transparency, and security. We’ll explore: The unusual scientific details found in the documents Why experts say the math and science appear valid How Soviet-era research culture shaped the work The Sticcos’ personal story of discovery and responsibility Join us as we dive into one of the most intriguing intersections of UFO history, Cold War secrecy, and family legacy.SHOW NOTESSupport the Show & Stay Connected! 👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/ufo-encounter-voicemail🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website:https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

29 Aug 55min

691. Incident Exeter Peter Robbins

691. Incident Exeter Peter Robbins

On September 3, 1965, a series of extraordinary UFO encounters shook the quiet town of Exeter, New Hampshire. Witnessed by multiple people—including two police officers—the events became one of the most compelling and well-documented UFO cases in American history. In this special episode, host Martin Willis is joined by Peter Robbins, long-time UFO researcher and co-author of Nightmare in Exeter, and UFO Jack (Who had his own Exeter, NH UFO incident), to revisit the dramatic details of the Exeter Incident. Together, they’ll break down the sequence of sightings, the credibility of the witnesses, and the enduring impact of this case nearly 60 years later. We’ll also touch on the Exeter UFO Festival, a community event that continues to honor the mystery, bringing researchers, experiencers, and the public together in the very town where it all began. https://exeterufofestival.orgSupport the Show & Stay Connected!👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/ufo-encounter-voicemail🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb 📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website:https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

27 Aug 55min

690. James Iandoli

690. James Iandoli

Back in 2007, James witnessed a brilliant fireball-like UFO that appeared to interact with his thoughts. Soon after, he experienced an out-of-body state triggered by trauma, and even received what he describes as a telepathic call urging him to step outside. What followed was a stunning face-to-face encounter with a massive, low-flying craft—observed not only by James, but also by his own family. Since then, James has dedicated himself to exploring the intersection of UFO encounters, consciousness, and human contact. In this interview, he recounts his powerful story, delves into the mysteries of altered states, and shares insights gained through years of practicing CE-5. If you’ve ever wondered about the connection between UFO contact and the human mind, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss. SHOW NOTESSupport the Show & Stay Connected!👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:   / martinwillispodcastufo  🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/...🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more: http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website: https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media: Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFO Facebook:   / podcastufo  📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!): https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastU...

22 Aug 57min

AUDIOBLOG A 1970 UFO and Occupant Report From Finland

AUDIOBLOG A 1970 UFO and Occupant Report From Finland

The first two years of the 1970s seems to have been a slow period for UFO reports in the U.S. if the 1970 and 1971 UFO Chronology hosted on the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena website is any indication, with the 1970 chronology consisting of 5 pages, and the 1971 consisting of 8 pages. As a comparison, the 1966 chronology page count is 35 and the 1967 count is a massive 85. This might have been expected after the release of the Condon Report and the termination of Blue Book. There is a comment to this effect in the 1971 chronology: “An apparent lull in sighting reports may be the result of the closing of Project Blue Book and the media coverage of this for several years, and may not reflect the actual situation.” By 1973, things would pick up in the U.S. in a big way (35 pages in that chronology) with high-strangeness cases dominating the headlines. However, there seems to have been a head start on this in other parts of the world and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization had people in place to investigate and report. Read more →Support the Show & Stay Connected! 👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/ufo-encounter-voicemail🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb 📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website:https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

21 Aug 8min

689. Dave Schindele 1966 UFOs and Nukes!

689. Dave Schindele 1966 UFOs and Nukes!

In this riveting interview, Martin Willis speaks with retired U.S. Air Force Captain Dave Schindele, a former Missile Launch Control Officer, who recounts a harrowing and long-suppressed incident from September 1966. While stationed at Minot Air Force Base, Schindele and his crew took over a missile site—only to discover that all 10 nuclear-tipped Minuteman ICBMs had been mysteriously rendered unlaunchable after a chilling encounter with a "flying object." Despite the severity of the breach, no one was ever questioned, and everyone involved was told to “forget it ever happened.” Now, after decades of silence, Schindele is sharing his story, the cover-up, and his deep insights into what this means for national security and the UFO/UAP phenomenon. 📘 David Schindele is the author of It Never Happened – a book that details this incredible and disturbing event.SHOW NOTESSupport the Show & Stay Connected!🛸Did you have a UFO/UAP Encounter? Leave Us a Voicemail: https://podcastufo.com/ufo-sightings/ufo-encounter-voicemail🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb 📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD🌐 Our Website:https://podcastufo.com📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

20 Aug 57min

688. Filmmaker/UFO Researcher, Jennifer Stein

688. Filmmaker/UFO Researcher, Jennifer Stein

Award-winning filmmaker and long-time MUFON investigator Jennifer Stein joins Martin Willis to discuss her decades in UFO research, her documentary work on the Travis Walton abduction case, and the high-strangeness of Sedona, Arizona. Jennifer shares her experiences at Bradshaw Ranch—rumored to be near an underground military facility—where she’s witnessed mysterious lights rising from the ground, unusual orbs, and persistent military helicopter activity. She explains Sedona’s energy vortexes, rapid synchronicities, and why the region has become a hotspot for paranormal phenomena. The conversation turns to the Skyfire Summit—a special four-day event marking the 50th anniversary of Travis Walton’s 1975 abduction. Jennifer details her journey making Travis: The True Story of Travis Walton, the challenges of film rights disputes, and how recent debunking campaigns mirror the tactics of legendary UFO skeptic Philip Klass. From the refusal of Snowflake, AZ officials to embrace their UFO history, to the shifting landscape of UFO disclosure, congressional hearings, and the recent shutdown of AARO, Jennifer pulls no punches.SHOW NOTES Support the Show & Stay Connected!👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1📧 Contact:producer@podcastufo.com

15 Aug 33min

687. Dan Harary

687. Dan Harary

What do Hollywood, UFOs, and a secret Army scientist have in common? Martin Willis talks with Dan Harary—founder of The WOW! Signal News Service—about his mission to push UFO Disclosure, the Hollywood Disclosure Alliance’s new Amazon documentary, and his sci-fi thriller After They Came.Dan also shares stunning new revelations about his late father’s 45-year career as a U.S. Army scientist… and the UFO sighting they witnessed together in 1970 that changed everything.SHOW NOTESSupport the Show & Stay Connected!👉 Join us on Patreon — Get ad-free podcast episodes (for any media player) for as little as $2/month:https://www.patreon.com/MartinWillisPodcastUFO🧢 Podcast UFO Merch (Shirts, Hats & More): https://tinyurl.com/mrybmnwb📬 FREE Sign Up for Our Weekly Newsletter — Get updates on upcoming guests, blog posts, and more:http://eepurl.com/LPHKD📱 Follow us on Social Media:Twitter (X): https://x.com/PodcastUFOFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/PodcastUFO📺 Subscribe on YouTube (It’s Free!):https://www.youtube.com/user/PodcastUFO?sub_confirmation=1

13 Aug 57min

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