A Soon-to-Be $2 Trillion Stablecoin Market? Stripe, Shopify and Banks Want In - Ep. 851

Ethereum just turned 10, and Stani Kulechov, founder of Aave, one of the earliest and most influential lending protocols in DeFi, is more bullish on the OG layer 1 blockchain than ever.  In this wide-ranging interview, he reflects on Ethereum’s resilience, explains why Aave is still laser-focused on it despite the rise of competitors like Solana, and gives us a preview of Aave V4 and its institutional play, Horizon.  If you want to understand where DeFi is going, you’ll want to hear what Stani has to say.   Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Focal by FalconX Xapo Bank Guest: Stani Kulechov, founder and CEO of Aave and ETHLend Links: Recent episode of Unchained with EF’s co-ED Tomasz: As Ethereum Turns 10, Where Is the Foundation Focused Next? Unchained: Aave Labs Unveils V4 Upgrade Proposal, Introducing a Unified Liquidity Layer and 'Fuzzy' Rates DefiLlama: Aave stats Reuters: JPMorgan considers offering loans backed by clients' cryptocurrency holdings  Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎉 4:58 What Ethereum’s 10-year milestone means to Stani 🏗️ 9:09 How Aave became the top lending protocol on Ethereum 🧐 13:02 Why Stani has been critical of the Ethereum Foundation 🏦 17:16 How TradFi institutions could quietly run on Aave infrastructure 💸 25:08 What Stani thinks about the complaints over Ethereum revenues and fees 🌉 30:27 Why Aave hasn’t launched on Solana 💼 35:32 How Ethereum treasury companies are putting Aave to work 🔧 41:15 What Aave V4 is bringing to the protocol and why it matters 🌍 48:18 How Horizon could bridge DeFi and real-world assets 🤝 50:43 Why DeFi might thrive even as TradFi and fintech move onchain 🗳️ 57:57 Whether DAO governance is fundamentally flawed Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

1 Aug 1h 15min

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube  🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter  Ethereum turned 10 on Wednesday, capping off a decade of trials and travails — but also triumphs. After years of being the heart of crypto’s onchain economy, Ethereum stalled last year, losing mindshare and market share to Bitcoin and Solana. During that time, some long-time supporters publicly aired frustrations with the Ethereum Foundation. Now, there’s a palpable shift in energy. In this episode, Tomasz Stanczak, the co-executive director of the Ethereum Foundation, reflects on the 10-year anniversary and talks about what’s ahead.  From internal strategy overhauls to his plans to tackle Ethereum’s UX and developer experience, Tomasz shares how the Foundation is trying to re-center Ethereum — and why he’s betting on it for the next decade.  He also lays out what he calls a “secondary roadmap,” including bold ambitions like building Ethereum into a platform for AI, machines, and even a new kind of open-source society. Thank you to our sponsors! Ledn Mantle Guest: Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation and Founder of Nethermind Links: Unchained: Ethereum Turns 10 Years Old Tomasz’s tweet about the roadmap Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎉 7:46 How Tomasz is reflecting on Ethereum’s 10th birthday and its recent struggles 🧠 10:41 What Ethereum means to Tomasz and how he explains it to the normies 🏗️ 17:28 Why the Ethereum Foundation plays a different kind of role in crypto development 👔 22:59 How Tomasz ended up as co-executive director of the EF 🗣️ 27:25 What he learned from hundreds of conversations about how Ethereum could improve 🎯 29:47 Why the Foundation is now focused on three core goals 💼 36:34 How and why the EF is also embracing business development 🪙 42:40 Why Tomasz wants people minting directly on Ethereum Layer 1 📣 46:14 How the Foundation’s communication strategy has changed and why it matters 📉 52:48 Why the EF isn’t focused on ETH’s price—at least not directly 🧾 57:50 Whether the Foundation is worried about Ether’s shifting asset narrative 🔗 1:03:34 How the EF is working to fix interoperability issues within Ethereum 🏦 1:05:59 Why the Foundation sold ETH to SBET and how its treasury strategy is evolving 🏛️ 1:14:09 How Ethereum became the chain of choice for institutions Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

31 Juli 1h 20min

What’s fueling crypto’s market surge?  This week on Bits + Bips, Ethereum’s rally has reignited market energy, triggering fresh questions about the return of alt season, and whether Bitcoin’s dominance will continue to fall. With special guests Katalin Tischhauser from Sygnum Bank and Wintermute’s Jake Ostrovskis, we dive deep into how corporate treasuries, tokenized assets, and shifting ETF flows are reshaping crypto’s microstructure.  Plus, we dissect the macro impact of rising tariffs, the Fed’s delicate dance with Trump, and whether tokenization could breathe new life into the US dollar. Check out the sponsors who make this show possible! Bitwise Mantle Hosts: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guests: Katalin Tischhauser, Head of Research at Sygnum Bank Jake Ostrovskis, Head of Sales Trading (OTC) at Wintermute Links Markets:  Unchained: Spot Ether ETFs Extend 16-Day Inflow Streak With $453 Million DATs: Cointelegraph: Tron Inc. seeks $1B to grow TRX holdings as stock rallies CoinDesk: Crypto Treasury Fever Spreads to Ethena as $360M SPAC Deal Targets ENA Accumulation CEA Industries Inc. Press Release: CEA Industries and 10X Capital, with the support of YZi Labs, announce $500 Million Private Placement to Establish Largest Publicly-Listed $BNB Treasury Company in the World The Block: Specialty finance company Mill City announces $450 million offering to establish corporate Sui treasury Barron's: MicroStrategy to Offer Preferred Stock With a Twist That Could Yield 10% Trump and Powell Fortune: Jerome Powell had a surprise visit from Trump. He's poised to leave interest rates unchanged anyway CNBC: Trump spars with Powell over renovation costs during Fed visit, but backs off firing threats Timestamps: 🎬0:00 Intro 🔥 6:03 Why ETH’s comeback is reigniting crypto markets 🧠 11:23 Why Ram says “animal spirits are back” 💸 15:06 When tariffs could finally start pushing prices higher 📉 18:06 Whether BTC dominance is fading—and if alt season is finally here 🏭 22:27 How tariffs are already hurting some businesses ⚖️ 27:49 Whether Strategy’s new preferred share class adds risky complexity 🏚️ 32:32 Why many new treasury-backed projects might not survive 📊 38:29 Whether these digital asset treasuries (DATs) are trading at unsustainable premiums 🔮 51:28 What the real endgame is for all these DATs ⚔️ 59:00 How the Powell-Trump tension could shake up markets 🔗 1:12:44 Why tokenization is gaining momentum across finance 📈 1:18:55 Whether stablecoins could revive global demand for the US dollar Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

29 Juli 1h 24min

Pump raised $600 million in 12 minutes. Then the token crashed… and sentiment with it. In this episode, Delphi’s Yan Liberman, Jason Pagoulatos, and Simon Smockey unpack what really happened, from the lack of investor lockups to the underwhelming post-ICO communication, and what Pump must do now to win back the market. We also get into whether the “everything app” strategy still makes sense, what decentralization means after this cycle, and what tokens can learn from equity markets. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Xapo Bank Focal by FalconX Guests: Simon Smockey, Researcher at Delphi Digital Yan Liberman, Co-Founder of Delphi Digital and Managing Partner of Delphi Ventures Jason Pagoulatos, Head of Markets at Delphi Previous coverage on the ICO:  Pump.fun Just Raised $600M. What Does This Mean for DeFi, Solana & Social Media? Pump.fun’s $1 Billion ICO Has Caused Controversy. Can It Succeed? Unchained: Pump.fun Becomes Third Largest ICO, Raises $600M in 12 Minutes  PUMP Traders Make Big Options Bets on the Token Surging Past Its ICO Price Pump.fun Draws Backlash After Confirming PUMP ICO TG Podcast: Alon: Raising $1B, $PUMP Token, Airdrop, and More Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💥 2:53 How Pump’s months-long hype set the stage, and why it may have backfired 🔓 11:07 Whether the lack of investor lockups hurt confidence in the token 😬 17:13 Why Jason found Alon’s post-ICO interview with Threadguy underwhelming 📉 22:52 Why Yan still sees strong risk-reward in PUMP despite the crash 🔥 24:29 What Pumpfun can do now to reignite interest and rebuild momentum 💸 34:19 Whether buybacks or business reinvestment is the better path forward 📱 36:37 How realistic the “everything app” vision is, and whether M&As can save it 🌍 47:16 What strategies could finally bring normies onchain 🧵 53:22 Whether the PUMP launch proves that decentralization is dead Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

25 Juli 1h 11min

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew is joined by special guest Rebecca Rettig, Chief Legal Officer at Jito Labs, to unpack the biggest legislative week in crypto history. The Clarity Act, Genius Act, and Anti-CBDC Act all pass Congress, ushering in what some are calling a regulatory renaissance — or at least, the first real rules of the road. Bitcoin breaks $120K, memecoins rip, and Crypto Week sends shockwaves through Washington. But is the Clarity Act really the win the industry’s been waiting for? Rebecca breaks down the legal nuance, Tarun questions the economic reality, and Haseeb points out Ethereum’s bizarre silence during the biggest policy shift of the decade. Has crypto finally grown up — or just gotten better at playing the game? The gang dissects the laws, the loopholes, and the market’s reaction to it all. Show highlights 🔹 Clarity Act Passes the House – Landmark crypto bill advances with bipartisan support, aiming to limit SEC power and define digital asset classifications. 🔹 Stablecoins Get a Path Forward – The Genius Act passes alongside Clarity, offering long-awaited regulatory rails for U.S. stablecoin issuers. 🔹 Congress Goes Full Crypto – Three major bills pass the House in one week, marking a historic show of political support for the industry. 🔹 Rebecca Rettig Returns – Jito Labs Chief Legal Officer breaks down what the legislation really means — and what still isn’t clear. 🔹 SEC in the Hot Seat – With CFTC gaining ground, the SEC’s regulatory grip is questioned across policy circles and crypto Twitter. 🔹 Bitcoin Breaks $120K – Markets rally on regulatory momentum and renewed optimism, with BTC setting a new local high. 🔹 Altcoins Catch Fire – SOL, PENGU, and meme tokens explode as traders rotate into risk-on narratives post-legislation. 🔹 Ethereum’s Silence Raises Eyebrows – Despite being at the heart of stablecoin infrastructure, Ethereum’s core voices stay unusually quiet. 🔹 DeFi’s Legal Gray Zone Remains – Tarun argues the bills may shift political winds, but don’t resolve the underlying protocol risk or enforcement ambiguity. 🔹 Crypto Week Becomes a Real Thing – What started as a Trump slogan turns into one of the most consequential weeks in U.S. crypto history. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️ Rebecca Rettig, Jurisprudential Genius at Jito Labs Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:06 The Genius Act 04:38 Tech Companies & Stablecoins 08:38 Predictions for the Future of Stablecoins 26:25 The Clarity Act Breakdown 32:27 Important Definitions 34:38 New Exemptions for Token Sales 41:12 Mature Blockchain Certification Process 45:27 Defi Activity Exemptions & Regulations 48:03 New Categories for Spot Crypto Registrants 55:52 Solana's Block Assembly Marketplace (BAM) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

24 Juli 1h 7min

Last week, the U.S. passed its first major piece of crypto legislation. Stablecoins now have a legal home, and that could open the floodgates for adoption, disruption, and regulation. But is this just the beginning? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Ram Ahluwalia, Noelle Acheson, Steve Ehrlich, and guest Cosmo Jiang of Pantera dive into what the stablecoin law actually means, who it helps, who it threatens, and why Wall Street and crypto startups alike are positioning fast. They also cover Ethereum’s rally, what’s fueling it, and whether the boom in digital asset treasury companies is sustainable. Plus, they unpack Trump’s latest threats against the Fed and what it means for markets, inflation, and interest rates. Sponsors: Bitwise Mantle Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter  Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Cosmo Jiang, General Partner and Portfolio Manager for Liquid Strategies at Pantera Capital Links Stablecoins Unchained:  GENIUS Act Passes: Who Are the Winners, Losers, and What Comes Next? House Passes Landmark Crypto Legislation: GENIUS Act and Digital Asset Bills Trump to Unblock Crypto Access in America’s $9 Trillion 401(k) Market: Report The Block: GENIUS Act is helping Ethereum ‘have its moment,’ Bernstein says WSJ: Why Banks Are on High Alert About Stablecoins Digital Asset Treasuries WSJ: Blank-Check Company Strikes Cryptocurrency Deal Unchained: SBET to Raise Additional $5B to Grow ETH Position Bloomberg: Trump Media Buys $2 Billion in Bitcoin for Crypto Treasury Plan CoinDesk: DeFi Development Nears $200M Solana Treasury DeFi Dev Corp Press release: DeFi Dev Corp. Announces Global Expansion Through Strategic Treasury Franchising Model TLGY Acquisition Corp Press release: TLGY Acquisition Corp. Announces Business Combination and Approximately $360 Million PIPE Financing to Form StablecoinX, an Ethena Stablecoin-Focused Treasury Company The Block: Nasdaq-listed Sonnet BioTherapeutics agrees to $888 million merger to become Hyperliquid Strategies, launch HYPE treasury Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 3:01 Why Noelle believes the stablecoin law is just the beginning 😒 5:25 How Ram explains his disappointment with the market’s reaction 💳 11:31 Whether Visa and Mastercard survive the stablecoin disruption 🏆 17:00 Who stands to gain the most from the new stablecoin law 🏦 20:08 How tokenization could hurt investment banking 📉 22:26 Whether regional banks are on the brink 📈 27:42 What’s fueling ETH’s latest rally 🧠 31:08 Why Cosmo credits the Ethereum Foundation’s leadership for the momentum 💥 36:14 Where markets are heading as retail FOMO ramps up 💼 37:56 How Cosmo is evaluating the surge in digital asset treasury companies 🥱 43:52 Why Ram is spotting signs of market fatigue 📊 45:15 Whether upcoming crypto IPOs can match early successes 💸 47:21 Why VC activity is still lagging despite bullish narratives 🧨 51:03 How Trump’s threat to fire Powell is shaking macro sentiment 🧃 58:08 Everyone’s unexpected or contrarian take this week Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

23 Juli 1h 2min

Bitcoin is up over 25% year-to-date, but what if this is still the beginning? Udi Wertheimer joins the show to share a thesis that’s grabbing attention across crypto: that we’re entering a generational Bitcoin rotation, where old holders are out, new institutional buyers are in, and price targets like $400K may arrive faster than anyone expects. He explains why the emergence of “forced buyers” like Michael Saylor’s Strategy changes everything, why he thinks the altcoin cycle is already lost, and how the biggest mistake Crypto Twitter is making today is thinking this is the top. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank Ledn Mantle Udi Wertheimer, long‑time Bitcoin advocate and customer support intern at Taproot Wizards Udi’s article: This Bitcoin Thesis Will Retire Your Bloodline Unchained: Bitcoin Sets New All-Time High, But Eyes Even Bigger Gains Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🐶 5:19 How Dogecoin’s 2021 run mirrors what could happen with Bitcoin today 🧠 21:31 Why Udi says most people misunderstood the rise of DATs 📈 30:38 Where bitcoin could be headed next, and how fast it might reach $400K 🏦 33:49 What makes this new wave of BTC buyers so different ⚠️ 39:52 Whether bitcoin-holding companies pose hidden risks 🪦 45:06 Why Udi believes altcoins, including ETH, may be finished this cycle ⏳ 51:50 Why Udi thinks Bitcoin’s next runup is “imminent” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

22 Juli 54min

After years of hostility toward crypto, the U.S. passed its first-ever federal law regarding the industry. The GENIUS Act, stablecoin legislation backed by both parties, was signed by President Trump’s desk after a last-minute showdown in Congress. Despite being seen as a sure thing, the bill’s path turned turbulent this week, with objections from Democrats over Trump’s crypto ties, and a sudden revolt from the Freedom Caucus around anti-CBDC language. Now that it’s through, what will this law actually do? And who stands to benefit—or lose? In this episode, Dante Disparte, Circle’s chief strategy officer and one of the key players behind the legislation, joins Unchained to explain: How the bill won bipartisan support despite political tensions Why banks may think twice before issuing stablecoins And why Circle is applying for a national trust bank charter Plus, the battle over interest-bearing stablecoins, how this bill fits into the broader financial regulatory landscape, and whether U.S. consumers and the dollar come out ahead. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Xapo Bank FalconX Dante Disparte, Chief Strategy Officer and Head of Global Policy and Operations at Circle Unchained:  GENIUS Act Passes: Who Are the Winners, Losers, and What Comes Next? ​​House Passes Landmark Crypto Legislation: GENIUS Act and Digital Asset Bills Circle Seeks U.S. Banking License to Directly Custody Billions in USDC Reserves Fortune: JPMorgan Chase’s new fees for data could ‘cripple’ crypto and fintech startups, executives warn Reuters: Some big US banks plan to launch stablecoins, expecting crypto-friendly regulations Timestamps: 🎬0:00 Intro 🇺🇸 2:23 Why Dante says this “crypto week” went better than anyone expected 🤝 3:44 How the GENIUS Act won bipartisan support despite major political friction 📜 6:10 Why Dante believes the bill is bigger than just crypto 🏦 9:02 How Circle plans to compete with the banking giants 🪪 15:22 What Circle hopes to achieve with its national trust bank application 🔐 18:28 Why financial privacy matters so much in the U.S. system 💵 19:34 How deposit tokens differ from stablecoins 📈 22:34 What Circle might do when interest-bearing stablecoins are finally allowed 👛 27:43 How this new law could impact everyday Americans and their money Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

18 Juli 42min