Polygon’s Comeback & Katana’s Impact On The Agglayer Featuring Sandeep Nailwal And Marc  Boiron
Empire23 Juni 2025

Polygon’s Comeback & Katana’s Impact On The Agglayer Featuring Sandeep Nailwal And Marc Boiron

This week, Marc Boiron (CEO, Polygon Labs) and Sandeep Nailwal (CEO, Polygon Foundation) joined Yano to dive into all the happenings at Polygon, their comeback plan, how the industry has shifted since last cycle, the best business models currently for chains and how Katana and the Agglayer will push not only the project, but crypto forward. -- Start your day with crypto news, analysis and data from Katherine Ross. Subscribe to the Empire newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/empire?utm_source=podcasts -- Follow Marc - https://x.com/0xMarcB Follow Sandeep - https://x.com/sandeepnailwal Follow Jason: https://x.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod -- Join the Empire Telegram: https://t.me/+CaCYvTOB4Eg1OWJh -- SKALE is the next evolution in Layer 1 blockchains with a gas-free invisible user experience, instant finality, high speed, and robust security. SKALE is built different as it allows for limitless scalability and has already saved its 50 Million users over $11 Billion in gas fees. SKALE is high-performance and cost-effective, making it ideal for compute-intensive applications like AI, gaming, and consumer-facing dApps. Learn more at https://skale.space and stay up to date with the gas-free invisible blockchain on X at @skalenetwork -- Crypto never sleeps. So we built an Al analyst that never blinks.Meet Focal by FalconX: a GenAI insights engine built for institutional crypto.Already used by 80+ funds managing $10B+ in AUM.- Screen, chart, and analyze 1300+ tokens- Summarize market-moving news instantly- Integrates data from CoinGecko, Kaito, Token Terminal, Tokenomist, The TieGet started today: https://askfocal.com -- Ledn is the leading platform for Bitcoin-backed loans, offering a secure and transparent way to unlock liquidity without selling your Bitcoin. Ledn has issued over $9 billion in loans since 2018 and has never lost a single satoshi of client assets, earning a reputation as the name you can trust in the crypto space.Visit https://www.ledn.io to learn more. -- Chapters: 00:00 Intro 01:58 The Industry Today, As A Builder 06:45 Easier/More Difficult Than Last Cycle 15:36 Ads (Skale) 16:28 Sandeep + Polygon Foundation 21:52 2 Business Models For Chains 36:54 Ads (Skale) 37:47 Katana Explored 46:03 Why Katana 55:26 Ads (Falcon x,LEDN) 01:09:53 Polygon’s Future Vision — Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.

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Sergey Nazarov reveals why $2 trillion will flow into DeFi | Chainlink

Sergey Nazarov reveals why $2 trillion will flow into DeFi | Chainlink

In this episode of Empire Jason is joined by Sergey Nazarov. Sergey is the Co-founder of Chainlink, a decentralized oracle network provider for advanced smart contracts. Sergey and Jason discuss hybrid smart contracts, oracle networks, DeFi's total addressable market, how current business models will be forced to adapt and the challenges of developing Chainlink. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

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Is crypto approaching its Facebook moment with ex-Myspace CEO | Mike Jones

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26 Aug 20211h 6min

Hedge fund manager talks CBDCs

Hedge fund manager talks CBDCs

In this episode Jason sits down with Avik Roy. Avik is President of the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, policy editor at Forbes, former analyst and portfolio manager at the investment firms Bain Capital, JPMorgan Chase & founder of the healthcare-focused hedge fund Mymensingh Partners. Avik shares his thoughts on CBDC's vs stable coins, the private sector's role within the economy, the incoming entitlement crisis and his current Bitcoin thesis. Avik's expertise covers a variety of topics, so we couldn't be more pleased to bring you this episode of Empire. ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

19 Aug 202145min

Bitwise CIO on the next wave of institutional capital moving into DeFi

Bitwise CIO on the next wave of institutional capital moving into DeFi

In this episode of Empire Jason is joined by Matt Hougan the Chief Investment Officer at Bitwise Asset Management. Jason and Matt discuss how an ETF would benefit financial advisors, DeFi innovation, future outlook for the space and incoming regulation. ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Get unparalleled access to the greatest minds in macro at Blockworks’ three day, executive summit in Bretton Woods. August 11 - 13. Apply to attend today! https://blockworks.co/events/brettonwoods/ ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

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Bitcoin in the Senate: The Infrastructure Bill | Cynthia Lummis

Bitcoin in the Senate: The Infrastructure Bill | Cynthia Lummis

Cynthia Lummis is a US Senator from Wyoming. On this episode of Empire, Senator Lummis speaks with Jason about the proposed Infrastructure Bill and the negative effects this could have for Bitcoin, digital assets and innovation. Cynthia also discusses the negative effects of inflation on the American population and the ever increasing national debt. This is a shorter episode than usual as Senator Lummis had less than 30 minutes to record between votes. ––– Get unparalleled access to the greatest minds in macro at Blockworks’ three day, executive summit in Bretton Woods. August 11 - 13. Apply to attend today! https://blockworks.co/events/brettonwoods/ ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

5 Aug 202132min

Will hyperinflation lead to hyperbitcoinization? | Robert Breedlove

Will hyperinflation lead to hyperbitcoinization? | Robert Breedlove

In this episode Jason is joined by Robert Breedlove. Robert is one of the most esteemed Bitcoin philosophers with a focus on exploring Freedom, Sovereignty, Philosophy, History, Economics and Bitcoin from first principles. When Robert isn't writing his captivating essays, he hosts the YouTube series 'What is Money?' featuring some of the top names in Technology, Finance & Bitcoin including previous guests Michael Saylor, Jeff Booth & Robert Kiyosaki. We couldn't be more excited to welcome Robert Breedlove to Empire who explores Inflation vs Deflation, the effects of central banking on society, what the world would look like on a Bitcoin Standard and Robert's Bitcoin outlook for the rest of 2021. With such a deep understanding over a variety of topics, this episode is not to be missed! ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Get unparalleled access to the greatest minds in macro at Blockworks’ three day, executive summit in Bretton Woods. August 11 - 13. Apply to attend today! https://blockworks.co/events/brettonwoods/ ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

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Why Erik Voorhees Transitioned ShapeShift into a DAO

Why Erik Voorhees Transitioned ShapeShift into a DAO

Since buying his first bitcoin in 2011, Erik Voorhees has seen it all. Erik helped Charlie Shrem build BitInstant and then launched ShapeShift in 2014, just months after the Mt. Gox crash. In 2018, ShapeShift lost 95% of their business when they introduced KYC due to regulatory demands. In this episode, Erik shares how he got through this tough time, and why he recently took a bold leap to integrate DeFi into ShapeShift and turn the company into a DAO.  ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– EXODUS Download the app today at http://exodus.com/empire and iOS users can buy up to $500 in Bitcoin for just $1 for a limited time. ––– Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

22 Juli 20211h 11min

This Billionaire is all in on Bitcoin... And Psychedelics | Christian Angermayer

This Billionaire is all in on Bitcoin... And Psychedelics | Christian Angermayer

Christian Angermayer is one of the world’s leading investors in psychedelics. Christian invested in the seed round Compass Pathways and recently founded Atai, a multi-billion dollar publicly traded psychedelics company. Christian talks about his beginnings, and how they led him to his current project: Atai Medical. ––– LUKKA Lukka Prime is crypto asset pricing data aligned to accounting standards like GAAP and IFRS. Lukka Prime Pricing Data is the pricing source used by S&P Dow Jones Indices’ for their new cryptocurrency indices. Lukka Prime is the world’s first fair market value pricing source for crypto assets and the best option for all post-trade reporting needs. Visit lukka.tech/empire to learn more. ––– Get unparalleled access to the greatest minds in macro at Blockworks’ three day, executive summit in Bretton Woods. August 11 - 13. Apply to attend today! https://blockworks.co/brettonwoods/empire --- Empire is brought to you by Blockworks, a financial media brand delivering breaking news and premium insights about digital assets to millions of investors. For more content like Empire, visit http://blockworks.co/podcasts. Follow me on Twitter @JasonYanowitz and let me know what you thought of the show!

15 Juli 20211h 40min

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