The Chopping Block: Robinhood’s Tokenized-Stock Gambit, Solana’s ETF Splash & the Proof-of-Stake Reality Check - Ep. 862

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Hyperliquid founder Jeff Yan, the quiet powerhouse behind DeFi’s fastest-growing exchange. With 75% of onchain perp volume, no VC money, and a $1B airdrop, Hyperliquid is rewriting what crypto protocols can be. We dive into Jeff’s minimalist strategy, the cancel wars with toxic flow, and the JellyJelly controversy that sparked a feud with CZ. Plus: HIP-3 and the future of permissionless perps, SPAC-style hype vehicles taking over Wall Street, and why stablecoin regulation just triggered a 40% rally in Circle stock. Is crypto evolving—or just getting financialized to death? Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform. Show highlights 🔹 Jeff’s $1B Airdrop Playbook – How Hyperliquid bootstrapped dominance with no VC, no marketing, and the most beloved founder in crypto 🔹 75% of Onchain Perps? – Hyperliquid now controls 3/4 of all perp volume across chains—Jeff explains how they did it 🔹 Cancel Wars & Toxic Flow – The inside logic behind prioritizing cancels over taker orders—and why HFTs are mad about it 🔹 CZ vs. Jeff – JellyJelly drama, transparency debates, and a subtle protocol war with Binance 🔹 HIP-3 and the Future of Markets – Perps on anything? Jeff breaks down why HIP-3 is the biggest unlock yet for Hyperliquid 🔹 “We Don’t Track KPIs” – Jeff’s radical philosophy on metrics, token price, and building products without back-propping for growth 🔹 Real Users vs. Predators – Who Jeff thinks actually matters onchain—and why some flow shouldn’t be welcome 🔹 Crypto SPAC Mania Begins – Tron, Tether, and Trump-adjacent vehicles bring public market chaos to token land 🔹 Genius Act Passes, Stocks Explode – Coinbase +20%, Circle +40%—but crypto tokens barely move: Why is Wall Street frothier than DeFi? 🔹 Are Perps the New Casino? – The crew debates why people love zero-DTE options, and if perps can replicate the lottery thrill ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️ Jeff Yan, CEO and co-founder of Hyperliquid Timestamps 00:00 Intro 02:51 Hyperliquid's Market Dominance 05:14 The Philosophy Behind Hyperliquid's Success 07:44 Challenges with Decentralized Exchanges 09:34 Metrics and Success in Hyperliquid 12:59 Addressing Market Dynamics and User Types 22:50 Competitive Pressures and System Resilience 25:28 Exploring Hyperliquid's Future and HIP 3 36:08 Complexity in Zero-Day Options 38:40 Perpetual Contracts vs. Options 41:24 The Role of User Interfaces in Trading 45:08 Crypto SPACs and Market Trends 57:21 The Genius Act and Market Reactions HostsDisclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

20 Juni 1h 8min

In this week’s episode of Bits + Bips, the panel digs into why Tron’s rumored IPO is more than a headline, what Wall Street’s quiet shift into stablecoins signals, and how exchanges are racing to control token flow, even as regulation hangs in the balance. They also explore: What the Israel–Iran conflict means for global markets, oil prices, and crypto positioning Whether banks can adopt stablecoins without threatening their own deposits If regulatory clarity will come fast enough to shape the next crypto phase How to tell if ETH’s revival has staying power Sponsors: Bitwise Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Christopher Perkins, President of CoinFund Vishal Gupta, Cofounder and CEO of True Markets. Links Tron and Justin Sun FT: Crypto group Tron to go public after US pauses probe into billionaire founder Unchained: Eric Trump Claims No Public Involvement in Tron’s Nasdaq Entity The Guardian: Crypto entrepreneur eats banana art he bought for $6.2m Israel - Iran WSJ:  Israel Takes Control of Iran’s Skies—a Feat That Still Eludes Russia in Ukraine How Israel’s Mossad Smuggled Drone Parts to Attack Iran From Within Stablecoins and TradFi Unchained:  JPMorgan Files ‘JPMD’ Trademark, Hints at Bigger Crypto Offering Coinbase and Amex Team Up on Bitcoin Card as Exchange Reveals Broad Expansion Plans Bloomberg: Bessent Says $2 Trillion Reasonable for Dollar Stablecoin Market. WSJ: Walmart and Amazon are considering launching U.S. dollar-pegged stablecoins  Reuters: French Societe Generale became the first major bank to launch a dollar-pegged stablecoin The Information: Financial markets giant DTCC is exploring a stablecoin, according to The Information Regulation Unchained: White House Rejects Ban on Conflicts of Interest in Crypto’s CLARITY Act Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 📰 4:18 Why Tron’s potential IPO creates a dilemma for investors, and how Justin Sun’s Trump ties play into it 🛡️ 15:58 Should exchanges like Coinbase let investors trade whatever they want? 🏦 20:47 The reason why crypto treasury companies even exist 📊 25:59 What is driving the fierce competition among exchanges 💵 34:18 Can JPMorgan, Bank of America, and other TradFi giants succeed with stablecoins? 🤔 37:58 Will stablecoins cannibalize banks’ own deposit bases? 🌍 45:51 How the Iran–Israel conflict could shake macro markets and crypto sentiment 🚀 55:37 Why Ram and Chris are calling for an ETH breakout 📜 57:47 What are the risks if crypto regulation fails? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

18 Juni 1h 8min

Hyperliquid is one of the most talked-about platforms in crypto right now. It’s an onchain perpetuals exchange that sidestepped VCs, built a deeply loyal user base, and launched with transparency most rivals avoid. But it’s also staring down some massive challenges—from incoming competitors like Coinbase and Robinhood, to the technical hurdles of decentralizing its core exchange engine. Arthur Hayes, CIO of Maelstrom and one of crypto’s most iconic traders, and Hanson Birringer of Flowdesk discuss: What actually drove Hyperliquid’s success How a user-first approach is outpacing venture-backed models Whether the James Wynn saga was legit Why the HIP-3 proposal could be the “holy grail” for DEXes And whether Hyperliquid can survive its next big test: the entrance of giants Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Xapo Bank Bitwise Guests: Arthur Hayes, CIO of Maelstrom Hanson Birringer, Head of US Sales at Flowdesk Links Stats: CoinGlass: Total BTC Futures Open Interest Hyperliquid Stats James Wynn Unchained: Hyperliquid Trader Makes $87M in 70 Days, Loses It In Five James Wynn’s address  Transparency Hyperliquid’s founder’s post on X saying that he felt like transparency results in better execution for whales compared to on private venues. Hyperliquid vs Binance: Unchained: Hyperliquid Saved Itself a $15 Million Loss, but Sparked Criticism Arthur Hayes’ tweet on whether $HYPE perp volumes will flip Binance’s this cycle. CZ’s tweet on dark pool DEXs Cointelegraph: Binance co-founder CZ proposes dark pool DEXs to tackle manipulation Tokenomics: DL News: Hyperliquid’s token buyback machine just hit $1b — is it sustainable? HIP-3: Hyperliquid Docs: HIP-3: Builder-Deployed Perpetuals Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔥 3:25 Why Arthur says the future of perps is onchain—and what that changes 🚀 6:58 How Hyperliquid managed to climb the ranks without VCs 🧱 9:45 Whether being its own L1 gives Hyperliquid an edge 🔍 12:44 How Hanson adapts market making in a fully transparent environment 🕵️‍♂️ 16:40 Why Arthur doesn’t buy the James Wynn story 💸 20:56 Whether the types of traders on Hyperliquid are different than on other venues ⚔️ 22:14 How Hyperliquid could defend itself when Coinbase and Robinhood enter the arena 🔐 26:18 What Arthur and Hanson think about Jeff Yan’s post saying transparency benefits users 🐙 32:59 Did Binance and OKX try to sabotage Hyperliquid during the $JELLY event? 📊 38:24 Arthur answers his own question of whether Hyperliquid takes on Binance’s trading volume 🌘 42:20 Whether dark pool DEXes can fix transparency without killing decentralization 🔧 47:15 Why Hanson thinks the security FUD around Hyperliquid is overblown 🌏 50:20 Whether Asia’s crypto communities care less about decentralization 🧠 52:34 How Hyperliquid’s ecosystem play with HyperEVM could reshape its future 🏆 55:52 Why Arthur calls HIP-3 the “holy grail” for DEXes 🪙 1:00:01 Whether the HYPE buyback program is a good idea 📈 1:02:49 What Hyperliquid must get right as Coinbase and Robinhood show up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

17 Juni 1h 20min

Stablecoins are having a moment. From Stripe’s acquisition of crypto wallet startup Privy, to Shopify integrating USDC, to Plasma raising $500 million for its stablecoin-optimized sidechain, stablecoins are having a moment. And at the center of it all is Circle, which had one of the most successful IPOs in decades. But what’s really happening under the surface? And who’s best positioned as stablecoins go mainstream? Vicky Fu, co-founder at Yala and former engineering director at Circle, joins Unchained to explain: How she saw Circle as deeply undervalued before the IPO buzz What Stripe’s crypto moves signal for the broader market Why retail payments could become stablecoins’ breakout use case How network effects give Circle a serious edge, even as banks circle the space Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Ledn FalconX Human Rights Foundation Guest Vicky Fu, co-founder at Yala  Links Unchained: GENIUS Stablecoin Bill Advances in U.S. Senate Bloomberg: Bessent Says $2 Trillion Reasonable for Dollar Stablecoin The Block: Payment giant Stripe to buy crypto wallet firm PrivyMarket Payment giant Stripe to buy crypto wallet firm Privy CoinDesk: Crypto startup Plasma’s XPL Token Sale Hits $500M as Investors Chase Stablecoin Plays The Block: Plasma doubles its deposit cap, clarifies it is eyeing $50M public sale at $500M FDV Reuters: Societe Generale becomes first major bank to launch dollar-pegged stablecoin The Information: Financial Markets Giant DTCC Explores a Stablecoin  Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔍 2:40 Why Vicky believed Circle was deeply mispriced BEFORE the IPO hype 🏗️ 11:336 How Circle’s quiet infrastructure play is more powerful than it looks 🛒 17:40 Why the Shopify–USDC integration could be a turning point 💼 19:14 What Stripe’s acquisition of Privy signals 🔥 23:42 What the Plasma ICO reveals about surging interest in the sector 🏦 29:50 Whether crypto-native issuers can really compete with banks entering the stablecoin race 📰 34:10 Weekly News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

13 Juni 48min

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by a special guest: Laura Shin, host of Unchained! The crew unpacks Circle’s explosive IPO, Tether’s threat to exit the U.S., and the meme-stock logic powering the rise of “crypto treasury companies.” From Coinbase’s grip on USDC to Wall Street’s sudden enthusiasm for stablecoins, we explore how public markets are reshaping crypto’s power centers. Is Circle overvalued—or the last compliant winner left? And are ICOs really back? We debate whether crypto’s just maturing—or if it’s being hijacked by the suits. Show highlights 🔹 Circle’s IPO Shocks Wall Street – One of the biggest two-day pops in IPO history: Did bankers misprice, or did crypto just break TradFi? 🔹 Stablecoin Season or Meme Stock Mania? – Circle hits 160x earnings, 15x revenue—Tarun calls it “CoreWeave for finance” 🔹 Tether Threatens U.S. Exit – New regulation looms: Will Circle rule America while Tether dominates abroad? 🔹 The Coinbase Cut – Why Coinbase might be the real winner behind USDC—and the hidden economics of stablecoin margins 🔹 Banking Consortium Incoming? – JPMorgan and Wells reportedly plotting their own stablecoin play. Is Circle racing against the banks? 🔹 The Rise of Treasury Tokens – From MicroStrategy to Solana clones: Are “crypto holding companies” the new ETF? 🔹 Copycats or Cult Leaders? – Why everyone wants to be Saylor—and why most won’t survive 🔹 Are These Companies Just Meme Stocks? – Laura and Tarun debate whether tradable crypto firms have real value—or just vibes 🔹 The Return of the ICO – Plasma raises $500M on Sonar, sparking a new wave of pre-token speculation 🔹 Is This Financial Innovation or Regulatory Theater? – Haseeb asks: Are we maturing—or just dressing TradFi in crypto clothes? ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Laura Shin, Journalist, Author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ Founder and CEO of Unchained Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:25 Circle's IPO: A Historic Event 03:16 Market Reactions & Implications 06:49 Stablecoin Legislation & Tether's Response 08:56 Circle's Market Position & Future 23:12 Crypto Treasury Companies: The New Trend 32:09 Understanding Convertible Arbitrage in Crypto 37:02 Potential Risks and Market Dynamics 41:36 The Influence of Michael Saylor 43:57 The Need for Charismatic Leaders in Crypto 50:07 The Rise of ICOs and Market Trends 55:04 Concluding Thoughts on ICOs HostsDisclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12 Juni 55min

This week on Bits + Bips, the panel tackles the biggest themes driving crypto: Circle’s triumphant IPO, ETH’s institutional tailwinds, and the fast-shrinking Bitcoin supply on exchanges. Plus, what Gemini’s IPO ambitions tell us about the state of exchanges, and whether Ram’s call for a BTC breakout is about to hit. Also on the docket: Is Circle really worth its sky-high valuation? Why exchange fees are stuck in the 1970s ETH: the quiet trade that might be heating up Oh, and yes, they talk about the Trump–Elon feud too 😅 Sponsors: Bitwise James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Sal Ternullo, Managing Partner at A100x Ventures The Conversation: The blow-up between Elon Musk and Donald Trump has been entertaining, but how did things go so bad, so fast? Unchained: Stablecoin Giant Circle Raises $1.1 Billion in Its IPO Early Circle Backer Slams IPO in Expletive-Filled Letter  BlackRock’s IBIT Becomes Fastest-Ever ETF to Top $70B  Blockworks: Gemini files confidential S-1 with SEC in road to IPO The Block:  Trump’s Truth Social files S-1 with SEC for Bitcoin ETF 15-day streak brings Ethereum ETFs to record high cumulative inflow value Metaplanet unveils $5.4B equity raise plan to accelerate bitcoin accumulation Cointelegraph: Bitcoin supply shock? Percentage of BTC on exchanges nears 2018 levels CoinDesk:  MSTR Boosts Stack Again Strategy to Raise Nearly $1B With STRD Preferred Stock Offering to Accumulate BTC Bloomberg: Metaplanet’s shares surged 22% after unveiling a record-setting $5.4 billion stock rights program aimed at growing its bitcoin holdings. Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🧠 1:28 Why the market is ignoring the Trump-Elon “break up”  📈 16:47 Is there a reason for Circle’s eye-watering valuation? (And what it means for  crypto VC) 🏦 30:25 Why Circle may struggle to compete with traditional banks 🚀 38:34 Why exchanges should rush to go public 🌐 46:40 Why Ram thinks that the market is immune from more bad news 🔥 57:16 The secret signs of a coming bitcoin supply shock 🧾 1:03:58 What’s behind the bitcoin and ether ETFs’ recent momentum and if it will last Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11 Juni 1h 8min

In part 2 of Jeff Park’s interview with Unchained, he describes ways that both everyday investors and the U.S. government can use various crypto assets to come out on top as old models and strategies become outdated.  He reveals the three personal stories that led him to develop his radical portfolio theory, puts himself in the shoes of Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent, and explains why Japan is the linchpin in the transition to this new world order. In this episode, we explore: Why Jeff believes the future belongs to wholecoiners The social mission behind owning bitcoin How the U.S. could leverage stablecoins to maintain global dominance Why the new American dream might not involve a house at all And why, in Jeff’s words, we may already be “living in a Bitcoin-only world.” Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Xapo Bank Bitwise Guest: Jeff Park, Head of Alpha Strategies at Bitwise Part 1 of Jeff on Unchained: Jeff Park Says the 60/40 Portfolio May Be Dead. Here’s His Radical Fix  Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📌 3:14 The 3 life events that shaped Jeff’s radical portfolio vision 🌍 7:58 Why crypto’s value is clearer outside privileged financial systems 🚀 15:18 Why Jeff is so bullish on STRK and what it represents 🌐 20:56 What it means to be “living in a Bitcoin-only world” 💥 27:42 Why the U.S. is vulnerable and what’s the new American Dream 🤝 32:36 What Jeff would do if he were in Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent’s position  🇯🇵 39:16 Why Jeff sees Japan as a critical piece of the global financial order 💵 48:36 Why stablecoins could be the U.S.’s most powerful financial weapon 🤔 54:50 Why Jeff is skeptical about a U.S. bitcoin reserve 🏛️ 59:14 Whether Bitcoin treasury companies are here to stay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10 Juni 1h 10min

On Tuesday, a pseudonymous X account claimed that Pump.fun, Solana’s breakout memecoin launchpad, would raise $1 billion via an ICO at a $4 billion valuation. The potential deal? Multiple CEX listings, a 10% community airdrop, and maybe even a launch by the end of the month. The community reaction? Not great. In this episode, Syncracy Capital’s Ryan Watkins joins to break down the backlash, whether the raise makes sense, and what this kind of fundraising says about the current state of crypto. He discusses: Whether Pump needs $1 billion and what they’d even do with it Why some people are furious, even as Pump prints revenue If this is bullish or bearish for Solana Why an airdrop was not pursued Whether the $4 billion valuation makes sense Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Ledn FalconX Human Rights Foundation Ryan Watkins, Co-founder of Syncracy Capital Unchained: Pump.fun Mulls $1B Token Sale Nextfckingthing’s tweet breaking the news  Ansem’s tweet on “pump fun raising $1B at $4B after Trumpcoin launch is like the second plane hitting the towers” Ansem’s poll Ryan’s tweet on “Pump anger”  Solojay tweet on Pump’s top 25 wallets Mosi’s tweet on why “Pump's ICO seems like an asymmetric bet (skewed to the downside)” Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🤔 4:03 Why skepticism around Pump.fun’s $1B raise is valid 💰 7:06 What Pump would even do with $1 billion 📈 21:17 Whether a $4B valuation actually holds up 🔥 24:08 Will this ICO hurt SOL? 🎁 27:05 Why Pump chose not to do a big airdrop 📱 28:56 Whether Pump.fun can hold its ground as SocialFi competition heats up Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

6 Juni 57min