Does High REV Signal a Blockchain's Strength or Its User Exploitation? - Ep. 841
A debate has been heating up on crypto Twitter about Real Economic Value (REV) — a metric meant to measure the value blockchains accrue from user activity. REV includes transaction fees and MEV tips, but excludes issuance — the inflationary rewards paid to validators. Some say it’s the clearest window into genuine usage. Others argue it’s a flawed and misleading proxy. So we brought the argument to Unchained. Tom Dunleavy, Head of Venture at Varys Capital, says fees are headed to zero, and blockchains shouldn’t be valued like companies. Meanwhile, Austin Federa, Co-founder of DoubleZero, believes REV offers a real lens on activity, maturity, and demand. The conversation covers: Whether REV is a meaningful metric (and how to game it) Whether L2 tokens are fundamentally broken What happens to security when fees (and MEV) go to zero If high REV signals product-market fit or just economic noise How to value blockchains, if not with REV Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitwise Guests: Tom Dunleavy, Head of Venture at Varys Capital Austin Federa, Co-founder of DoubleZero Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 📊 2:50 What REV actually measures and why it’s sparking so much debate 💸 4:33 Why fees that don’t go to the protocol are included in this metric 🪙 14:43 Whether L2 tokens are fundamentally worthless 🧮 15:53 How to factor Ethereum L2s into the REV equation 📉 18:15 Why Tom thinks all fees are going to zero and what that means for value accrual 📈 34:06 Austin defends REV and explains why it reflects real user demand ⚠️ 37:07 MEV debate: is it a feature or a flaw? 🔀 42:59 Why Solana might not follow Ethereum’s REV path 🛡️ 44:18 Who secures the network when MEV goes to zero 🤔 53:46 Whether high REV means success 🚫 59:46 Why Austin calls out Jesse Pollak’s “no sandwiching” claim on Base 🌄 1:02:30 Whether Solana’s Alpenglow proposal could reshape MEV 🔄 1:03:43 How REV might rise even as MEV declines 👑 1:07:11 Why Bitcoin lives in its own reality when it comes to metrics 🎮 1:09:57 How protocols can game the REV metric 📐 1:15:19 What other metrics matter when valuing blockchains Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
27 Maj 1h 22min
Why a U.S. Ban on Yield-Bearing Stablecoins Would Help 'Too Big to Fail' Banks - Ep. 840
Yield-bearing stablecoins have had decent growth, now topping $6 billion in supply and paying out nearly $600 million to users, according to data from Stablewatch. But just as these products go mainstream, the U.S. Senate is moving forward with a stablecoin bill that could ban them outright in America. In this episode, NYU professor and Zero Knowledge Consulting founder Austin Campbell joins Laura to break down: Why yield-bearing stablecoins are under fire in Washington Why Dems are pushing for the ban and who stands to benefit How this bill could give foreign issuers an edge over U.S. ones Whether yield-bearing stablecoins are securities under U.S. law And what the future holds for projects like Ethena, Sky, and others Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Bitkey: Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off Focal by FalconX Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Unchained: How the Senate Stablecoin Bill Enriches Corporations at the Expense of Consumers Stablecoin Bill Passes Key Hurdle: Dems Join GOP to Deliver a Crypto Win Tether in the Clear? Yes, Under This New Republican-Led Senate Stablecoin Bill Stablecoin Bill Stalls in Senate as GOP Cries Foul Over Dem Resistance Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 💣 1:29 Why the new stablecoin bill takes direct aim at yield-bearing stablecoins 🗳️ 3:36 How Democrats are driving the push for a ban and what their motivations might be 🏦 6:28 Why calling stablecoins “banks” leads to major policy confusion 🌍 13:49 How the bill could hand an advantage to offshore stablecoin issuers 🎒 19:31 Whether Tether is warning about risk or just protecting its own interests ⚖️ 21:09 Are yield-bearing stablecoins actually securities under U.S. law? 💰 23:40 What real benefits yield-bearing stablecoins offer to users 🚫 29:54 Why Austin opposes the proposed 10% interest cap 📚 32:04 Why Ethena would likely be regulated under market structure rules instead 📰 35:04 Weekly News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
23 Maj 45min
Bits + Bips: Why Rate Cuts Are Less Likely This Year, but Crypto's Outlook Is Positive - Ep. 839
U.S. credit got downgraded. Fed policy expectations are flipping. And Coinbase hit the S&P 500 (while also being extorted). But what does all of this mean for crypto? On this week’s Bits + Bips, James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, Ram Ahluwalia, and Noelle Acheson break down: Why the Moody’s downgrade doesn’t mean much for markets Whether Fed rate cuts are now further off than expected Why Alex says Coinbase is a “horrible product” despite S&P inclusion How stablecoins tie into U.S. geopolitical strategy Whether Circle should sell to Coinbase And what the altcoin ETF delay really tells us Plus: unemployment, yield curve control, the “Consensus vibes,” and Ram’s wild anecdote about workers gaming unemployment benefits. Bitwise James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Noelle Acheson, Author of the “Crypto Is Macro Now” Newsletter Macro Reuters: Moody's downgrade intensifies investor worry about US fiscal path USNews: Trump Tells Walmart to 'Eat the Tariffs' Instead of Raising Prices Coinbase Unchained: How the Attack on Coinbase Shows the Dangers of Centralized Exchanges Fortune: Circle pursues IPO—but talks with Coinbase and Ripple could mean a sale, sources say CNBC: Coinbase joining S&P 500, replacing Discover Financial Stablecoin bill Unchained: Stablecoin Bill Passes Key Hurdle: Dems Join GOP to Deliver a Crypto Win Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 💳 2:18 A big reason why the U.S. credit downgrade matters for investors 📉 7:49 Contrarian take: why souring U.S. debt could also hurt crypto 🛡️ 15:30 Do tariffs work against the U.S. military and national security? 🔁 20:14 Why the crew flipped on Fed rate cut expectations 📊 28:35 Is the U.S. about to introduce yield curve control? 🧾 35:04 Are the Mag7 stocks the new safe havens in a recession? 📈 38:54 What if the “Goldilocks” scenario is priced in, and it's wrong? 💼 44:26 Why hedge funds are secretly in a vulnerable position 🫱 49:15 What the “vibes” at Consensus 2025 revealed 💵🇨🇳 50:44 A secret threat that the stablecoin bill poses to China? 📈 57:43 What Coinbase’s S&P 500 inclusion means and why Robinhood is its biggest threat 🌀 1:07:17 Should Coinbase acquire Circle? Here’s what the panel thinks ⏳ 1:13:38 Why altcoin ETF approvals are delayed and wen staking in ETFs? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
21 Maj 1h 22min
Linda Xie on How Mini-Apps Are Helping Farcaster Take on Web2 Social Media - Ep. 838
Legacy social media platforms lock you in, control your audience, and exploit your data. Farcaster aims to fix those problems. But how can it attract developers and users in an already saturated media environment? Developer Ecosystem Lead Linda Xie joined the show to explain: How Farcaster addresses social media’s structural flaws How Farcaster’s mini-app ecosystem is helping to grow the user base The most popular apps taking off on the platform How the whole crypto community could benefit from gathering on Farcaster Why she believes crypto communities belong on open, portable networks And why her family’s history helped her grasp the significance of Bitcoin in 2011 Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Bitwise Linda Xie, Developer Ecosystem Lead at Farcaster Previous coverage of Unchained on Farcaster and social media: Farcaster Wants to Win Over Crypto. Here’s How It’s Different From ‘Crypto Twitter’ Ethereum Accounts to Post on Social Media More After Criticism How Decentralized Social Network Farcaster Hopes to Eventually Get to One Billion Users What is Warpcast Wallet? Farcaster’s Snapchain Farcaster’s mini-apps Understanding Farcaster: A Sufficiently Decentralized Social Graph Protocol Timestamps: 🤝 0:00 Introduction 🤯 3:55 How an unusual situation in her family got Linda crypto-pilled ⚖️ 7:57 How building legitimacy at Coinbase was crucial for the industry 🪜 10:20 Xie’s journey from VC to founder 🌐 13:04 How crypto’s adoption has evolved around the world 🔍 16:44 Why Linda decided to build and focus on Farcaster 🔧 23:31 How Farcaster addresses social media’s structural flaws 👀 31:14 How mini-apps build Farcaster’s user base 💲 37:32 Why Warpcast Wallet is a “game changer,” according to Linda ❓ 40:19 How Snapchain is used for storing data 👷 44:29 What types of developers the Farcaster ecosystem attracts 💡 45:20 How Linda aims to make Farcaster easy to understand ✨ 49:50 Linda’s favorite Farcaster mini-apps 😀 55:10 Attracting the whole crypto community to Farcaster Thank you to our sponsors!Guest:Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
20 Maj 1h
How the Attack on Coinbase Shows the Dangers of Centralized Exchanges - Ep. 837
Coinbase revealed on Thursday that cybercriminals bribed overseas customer support contractors to steal sensitive customer data as part of a $20 million extortion scheme. While no funds or private keys were compromised, customer names, addresses, and ID documents were exposed for nearly 1% of the company’s 8+ million “monthly transacting users,” according to a blog post. The story raises tough questions for the entire industry. Is KYC making users more vulnerable? Can human error ever be fully eliminated? And is crypto’s real security problem… people? Security experts Jameson Lopp, James Wester and Alexander Leishman delve into: What went wrong at Coinbase Why human vulnerabilities are still crypto’s biggest risk Whether KYC makes the problem worse What companies should do next to protect their users Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Focal by FalconX Bitkey: Use code UNCHAINED for 20% off Mantle Guests Jameson Lopp, Co-founder and CTO at CASA James Wester, Research Director at Javelin Alexander Leishman, CEO and CTO at River Links Coinbase’s blog post: Protecting Our Customers - Standing Up to Extortionists Coinbase’s SEC filing Commentary: Vance Spencer’s tweet Armani Ferrante’s tweet Timestamps: 🎙️ 0:00 Introduction and ads 🔓 2:30 How hackers tricked Coinbase’s offshore support and why humans remain security’s weakest link 🗂️ 6:49 What customer data was leaked and how hackers use it 🎯 13:14 How attackers prey on targets at weak moments 🌍 20:47 Should Coinbase move customer support back to the U.S.? 🛑 26:35 Why KYC protocols might be making users more vulnerable, not safer 🛡️ 28:48 The best defenses companies can implement to protect users 📰33:49 Weekly News Recap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
16 Maj 47min
The Chopping Block: Rugs, Incentives & Float Lies, Mosi Breaks It All Down - Ep. 836
Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra break down the biggest stories in crypto. This week, we’re joined by one of the most iconic anons on Crypto Twitter: Mosi, aka @vanacharma. Known for calling out sketchy tokenomics and vaporware valuations, Mosi joins the crew for a ruthless teardown of market maker games, OTC dumps, and the “hallucination yield” driving this cycle’s worst bets. From the $60M Movement Labs fiasco to OTC pump schemes and the collapse of community trust, the gang goes deep on why crypto’s market structure is broken—and what it’ll take to fix it. If you’ve ever wondered how the sausage gets made in crypto token launches, this one’s for you. Show highlights 🔹 $60M Movement Meltdown – How a token deal gone wrong became crypto’s latest fiasco and dragged down one of the cycle’s most hyped L1s. 🔹 Anon vs. Everyone – Iconic CT anon @vanacharma breaks down the float games, OTC dumps, and tokenomics illusions plaguing the industry. 🔹 Market Makers or Middlemen? – When is liquidity real, and when is it just backdoor exits? We unpack how MM incentives are getting abused. 🔹 Hallucination Yield & Vapor Valuations – Why funds chase tokens with the fakest traction — and what happens when reality hits. 🔹 Are VCs to Blame? – The crew debates whether investors are complicit in these token games or just bad at picking founders. 🔹 Pump, Dump, Repeat – How OTC discounts, fake float, and circular trading fuel a Ponzi-like system hiding in plain sight. 🔹 Why Retail Gets Burned – Most people never stood a chance. We walk through how asymmetric info and hidden unlocks wreck public buyers. 🔹 Can This Be Fixed? – Haseeb and Mosi clash on the path forward: enforceable disclosures, exchange oversight, or do-nothing chaos? 🔹 Self-Regulation Is the Only Way Out – Before the SEC nukes everything, the industry must grow up. Here’s where that starts. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️ Mosi, Just a Kid from Africa Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:22 Mosi’s Crypto Philosophy 03:13 Market Structure Issues in Crypto 08:07 OTC Deals & Market Manipulation 15:36 Fixing the Market Structure 23:56 Self-Correcting Market Dynamics 29:19 VC Incentives and Market Impact 36:08 Retail vs. Institutional Investors 52:26 Superstate's Vision for Onchain Equities HostsDisclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
15 Maj 57min
Bits + Bips: Are the U.S. and China About to Reshape the Global Economy? - Ep. 835
After the U.S. and China announced a 90-day pause on tariffs, signaling a massive de-escalation of the trade wars, markets rallied. In this week’s Bits + Bips, the panel covers the biggest macro and crypto forces in motion right now: Will US-China tariff reset reshape the global economy, or just kick the can down the road? America’s ballooning deficit and why politicians are spending like it’s wartime. Why some think ETH has a unique lane to outperform. How policymakers ignore the power of the crypto community at their own risk. Plus: Saylor copycats, Solana’s risk-reward balance, and whether stagflation or recession is still in the cards. Sponsors: Bitwise Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive editor at Unchained Guests: Peter Tchir, Head of Macro Strategy at Academy Securities Zach Pandl, Head of research at Grayscale POLITICO: Trump: The EU is ‘nastier than China’ David Bailey and Bitcoin-Native Holding Company Nakamoto Announce Merger with KindlyMD® to Establish Bitcoin Treasury Unchained: Michael Saylor Copycats Rush to Win the Solana Rat Race. Can Lightning Strike Twice? Reuters: Brokerages Scale Back Recession Odds After U.S.-China Trade Truce White House: Joint Statement on U.S.-China Economic and Trade Meeting in Geneva McKinsey: Chinese Consumption Amid the New Reality CBS: U.S. Could Face Default by August if Congress Doesn't Address Debt Ceiling, Bessent Says Stablecoin bill drama Unchained: Why the Senate Stablecoin Bill Stalled & What It Means for Crypto Tether in the Clear? Yes, Under This New Republican-Led Senate Stablecoin Bill Stablecoin Bill Stalls in Senate as GOP Cries Foul Over Dem Resistance A House Hearing on Crypto? More Like a Big, Partisan Fight Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🇨🇳🇺🇲 3:27 The significance of the U.S.-China tariff pause 🌎 8:55 Is this a global economic reset or just kicking the can down the road? 🧑💼 20:23 Has Bessent beaten Navarro in the Trump trade tug of war? 💔 23:11 Whether the U.S.-China relationship is heading for a permanent split 🏦 30:22 Is the U.S. heading for a debt default in August? 🎭 38:37 Why more are copying Strategy’s bitcoin playbook 🚀 44:53 ETH’s explosive short squeeze caught traders off guard. Can it continue? 🏛️ 52:47 How stablecoin policy suddenly became major political battleground ⚠️ 1:00:20 Are there still stagflation and recession risks? Hosts:Links Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
14 Maj 1h 12min
Crypto Pump & Dumps Have Become the Ugly Norm. Can They Be Stopped? - Ep. 834
The Movement Labs scandal exposed more than just one bad deal – it pulled back the curtain on a widespread problem in crypto: how some market makers, founders, and VCs play games to make money — whether the project succeeds or not. In this episode, Laura speaks with José Macedo of Delphi Labs, Omar Shakeeb of SecondLane, and Taran Sabharwal of STIX to explain: How market makers are supposed to work, and how they operate in crypto Why insider selling is more common than you think How projects like Movement, Mantra, and others exploit launch day hype Whether VCs often enable this behavior with side deals that retail never hears about And what the industry needs to do to fix this broken system Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Bitwise José Macedo, founder at Delphi Labs Omar Shakeeb, cofounder of SecondLane Taran Sabharwal, founder and CEO of STIX. Movement Labs: Unchained: How MOVE’s Contracts Put a Pump and Dump Into a Legal Agreement CoinDesk: Inside Movement’s Token-Dump Scandal: Secret Contracts, Shadow Advisers and Hidden Middlemen Market making: The Chopping Block: Can Crypto Clean Itself Up? Market Structure, Trust, and Regulation Mantra Founder Is Burning 150 Million Tokens. Would He Try to Get Them Returned? ZachXBT Ties REEF Founders to OM Token Crash Timestamps: 👋 0:00 Intro 🤝 1:51 What Omar’s and Taran’s companies do 🎭 3:40 How market making works and how crypto twists the model ⚠️ 9:35 Why crypto’s market maker incentives are broken by design 🛠️ 16:25 What it would take to fix shady market maker behavior 🚩 26:20 How some founders exploit launch day hype to dump on retail 🧠 38:11 Did Mantra’s JP pull off a “genius” move or manipulate the market? 🔍 42:22 Whether crypto traders do any research before apeing in 💸 52:48 How founders are incentivized to dump their own tokens 🏦 59:09 Why VCs may be fueling this problem with insider deals 📉 1:02:37 What crypto needs to learn from traditional finance ✅ 1:06:13 The biggest fixes the industry must prioritize to stop these scams Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
13 Maj 1h 17min
