Rex Heuermann's Burlap, Hair, and Pizza: The Forensic Breaks That Nailed the Gilgo Suspect

In a recent episode of the acclaimed podcast "Hidden Killers," Tony Brueski spoke with Joseph Scott Morgan, a Forensic Scientist and Distinguished Scholar of Applied Forensics at Jacksonville State University, about a chilling topic: a murder case where the key to solving it lay buried within a hoarder's home.   The backdrop is grim. A house that once seemed to tell the tale of an obsessive collector, overflowing with a lifetime of trinkets and mementos, turned out to be a maze of potential evidence in an unsettling murder case. Brueski set the scene, recounting, "This very much looks like a hoarder house… The FBI had to rip through a hoarder house." He posed the immediate question, "What does that say to us about a personality like this and the likelihood of hoarding and if there's this proclivity to kill people?"   Morgan's response, shaped by years in forensics, painted a daunting challenge for investigators. Sifting through decades of items, every piece could either be a mere trinket or a damning piece of evidence. "It is an overwhelming task," he admitted. "Out of all the stuff in here, what's going to have value and what is not going to have value?"   Diving deeper into the psyche of a potential criminal, Morgan pondered on the strategic advantage a hoarder's home would offer. The consistent accumulation of objects could be the perfect hiding place for incriminating items. "If this guy is such a super criminal, did he look around these areas and say, well, I'm gonna hold some stuff back from these adventures that I'm going out on?" Morgan speculated.   The home, it turns out, was more than just a repository of keepsakes. "One of the victims may have met their end in the house," said Brueski, emphasizing the gravity of their discoveries. But this isn't the only case in recent memory to have investigators scratching their heads. Morgan drew attention to another chilling incident – the discovery of a dismembered body found on Fire Island in 1996, with the skull found in a different location in 2010. "Is there any indication that perhaps that skull had been held back for a protracted period of time?" he queried, noting the potential significance of weathering and tool marks on the recovered bone.   Morgan also highlighted the incredible strides in forensic technology over the years. "We did not have the capability in say, 2007 to do the things...we do now in order to put a really fine point on it and begin to try to understand origin," he said, emphasizing the role of DNA evidence in modern forensic investigations. This evolution of techniques has provided a more nuanced view of older evidence, allowing investigators to revisit cold cases with a fresh perspective.   Looking ahead, Morgan foresees even more groundbreaking advancements, particularly in the field of DNA databases and artificial intelligence. He suggested, "There's no telling how far the technology could expand just from a crime-fighting standpoint." Given the rapid pace of technological change, he believes it's only a matter of time before forensic science can draw from an even richer pool of evidence.   Closing on a light note, Brueski and Morgan mused the popular trend of at-home DNA kits, a seemingly innocent gift that could potentially uncover dark family secrets. "We thought Uncle Bernie was so nice. Turns out he killed seven hookers in Los Angeles," Brueski quipped.   Their discussion is a stark reminder of the fascinating, sometimes horrifying intersection of forensics, psychology, and crime. As technology and techniques evolve, the tools at investigators' disposal only grow more powerful, enabling them to unearth long-hidden secrets and bring justice to the fore. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Aug 202312min

The chilling case of Rex Heuermann, the man suspected of being the Long Island serial killer, notably known as the Gilgo beach murderer, took center stage in a recent episode of the podcast "Hidden Killers." Host Tony Brueski, in discussion with former FBI Special Agent and Hidden Killers Daily Contributor Jennifer Coffindaffer, delved deep into the intricate details of the investigation spanning multiple jurisdictions, states, and years.   Brueski initiated the conversation by mentioning a peculiar and disturbing detail related to Heuermann: "The strange guy down the road that has creepy dolls in his house." Alluding to a particularly eerie discovery made at the suspect's residence, Brueski expressed his apprehension, "I'd still wanna know what that's going to be, if anything, when it comes to this trial. I got bad feelings about that doll."   However, the central focus of the discussion was the overarching challenge posed by the vastness of the investigation, spread across different states and timelines. Brueski inquired, "How difficult is that from an investigative standpoint to get everybody on the same page and sharing information over such a long period of time?"   Coffindaffer elucidated the difficulties, emphasizing the distinction between cases managed exclusively by the FBI versus those that involve multiple local and state agencies. "It's a big hurdle, Tony," she affirmed. "When the bureau is in charge of something, you have one bureaucracy. But when you have dozens, potentially, of law enforcement agencies... each jurisdiction has their own level of prioritization." The challenge gets amplified, especially when investigators from different precincts have varying caseloads and methods of handling evidence.   However, Coffindaffer noted that the high-profile nature of the Heuermann case would likely galvanize various jurisdictions to collaborate effectively, given the intense public and media scrutiny. "It's going to be very interesting. It is obviously a big publicized case, and I think that's going to help motivate these jurisdictions to get these cases solved," she stated.   Brueski then raised a pivotal question regarding Heuermann's trial, questioning whether there would be multiple trials or if authorities would wait until investigations across states concluded. Coffindaffer's response provided clarity: "I think what we'll see is what we call a superseding indictment. That will happen once they have the evidence put together on Gilgo four." This essentially means that once additional evidence is pieced together linking Heuermann to further crimes, the charges against him would be updated, effectively resetting the legal clock.   Drawing attention to the intensive nature of the investigations, she elaborated, "Recall they have 12, 13 days of investigation at his house... We have the DNA profile that might link him to other LISC killings."   In terms of a timeline for Heuermann's trial, Coffindaffer estimated, "I think we're looking way out to the origin of your question, a year, two years. But they will not wait until South Carolina, Nevada, and other states conduct their investigations."   With the spotlight on the Long Island killings, it seems investigators are determined to connect the dots, provide justice to the victims, and ensure Heuermann faces the consequences if found guilty. The case, with its multi-state implications and gruesome revelations, continues to hold the public's attention and is a testament to the complexities of modern-day criminal investigations. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Aug 20234min

In a riveting episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski engaged in a thought-provoking discussion with psychotherapist and author Shavaun Scott. They delved into the intricate psychological workings of individuals with criminal tendencies, offering insights into how these minds operate and the subsequent implications for law enforcement.   Scott highlighted one of the most pressing concerns for law enforcement: the balance between safeguarding society and infringing on personal freedoms. "You know, because it gets into how much can we monitor people in this society?... other than really careful monitoring once someone has committed a sex crime," Scott remarked. She went on to emphasize the importance of stringent post-crime supervision, particularly for those not incarcerated, underscoring the challenges law enforcement faces when a person hasn't been charged.   The topic then transitioned to the disturbing findings at Gilgo Beach, where from 1996 to 2011, remains of nearly two dozen victims were discovered. Brueski questioned the likelihood of different murderers dumping bodies at the same site. Scott responded, "I think they've got to be looking really closely at how they can tie [Rex] if he can be connected to the other ones, because it seems statistically very odd." The mysterious scenario paints a harrowing backdrop, illuminating the dark underbelly of certain locales.   Brueski further inquired about certain objects potentially linked to criminal acts, particularly the intriguing discovery of a belt with the letters "w h" or "hm". Scott suggested that leaving behind such objects can sometimes be a deliberate "signature", a testament to the criminal's grandiosity. "It's almost this need to prove themselves as 'I'm smarter than you are and look what I can do and you can't get me'", she elaborated.   One of the most chilling aspects discussed was the ability of such individuals to compartmentalize their illicit activities. Scott shed light on this perplexing behavior: "That's one of the weirdest qualities that I see in folks like this…they just don't leak. Most normal people would leak when they're thinking about something a lot... And guys like this just really keep secrets well."   Brueski also delved into the practice of criminals keeping "trophies" from their heinous acts. Scott explained that this seemingly counterintuitive behavior stems from a complex interplay of grandiosity, narcissism, and addiction. "Even though this is poor judgment to keep this item, they do it anyway because they get such a sense of power from it," she asserted.   Scott's perspectives provide a unique window into the mind of criminals, revealing not only the twisted logic behind their actions but also the challenges faced by those who seek to bring them to justice. This episode underscores the need for ongoing research and dialogue in criminal psychology. The revelations within it serve as a stark reminder of the complexities inherent in ensuring society's safety without compromising individual freedoms. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Aug 20238min

In a recent episode of the acclaimed podcast "Hidden Killers," hosted by Tony Brueski, a deep dive was taken into the ongoing investigations surrounding the infamous Rex Heuermann. With insights from retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Robin Dreeke, the episode examined the controversial push to obtain new DNA evidence from the suspect.   Heuermann, speculated to be the 'Long Island Serial Killer,' has been a figure of intense scrutiny for law enforcement. "We're talking about, uh, Rex Heuermann and the new DNA that, uh, is going to be revealed shortly," Brueski began, setting the tone for a riveting discussion. It was recently revealed that the defense had fought against the submission of a cheek swab, claiming that the case was not robust enough to warrant such a procedure.   Drawing parallels from his time in counterintelligence, Dreeke highlighted the complexities surrounding the escalation of intrusive techniques. "You always use the least intrusive technique you can first," he stated, emphasizing the beauty of the Constitution that guards civil liberties and privacy. To escalate investigative measures, "it has to be escalated with bolted techniques," Dreeke added. He discussed the intense scrutiny that goes into escalating to sophisticated DNA tests, indicating that the mere fact that the case had reached this stage meant that lower-level evidence had already been extensively explored.   However, even in the face of mounting evidence, Dreeke was mindful of the role of defense attorneys. "Again, we're going back to a great defense attorney doing his job. Fight everything tooth and nail," he remarked. This resilience from the defense makes it all the more intriguing as to the depth and breadth of evidence the prosecutors hold.   Tony, chiming in, mentioned the rigorous standards prosecutors adhere to, stating, "Prosecutors don't like having any gaps. They don't like anything but a hundred percent on everything." The pursuit of the cheek swab, in this context, is seen as an attempt to close potential gaps and solidify the case against Heuermann.   But what remains alarming is the extent of Heuermann's suspected crimes. Beyond the three murders he's currently linked with, there's speculation of his involvement in several more. The evidence, however, seems somewhat inconsistent. The use of burlap sacks in some murders and the gruesome state of other bodies — dismembered and missing parts — has led many to question whether Heuermann's methods evolved or if multiple culprits are at play.   Brueski posed a haunting question: "Is this a beach that just has a lot of bodies from a lot of different killers? Uh, or did Rex change his ways over time?" Dreeke responded with an insight into the psychology of serial killers, noting that once they find a method that provides gratification, it's rare for them to shift radically. However, the central behaviors he pinpointed were strangulation, positioning of the bodies, and a potential foot fetish indicated by missing shoes from the crime scenes.   Despite the perplexing nature of the evidence and the varied conjectures, both hosts agreed on the consistent pattern of missing items, particularly shoes. However, as Dreeke cautioned, much of this is still conjecture. The investigation is ongoing, and until a clear conclusion is reached, the mysteries surrounding the Long Island Serial Killer continue to captivate the world.   With the new DNA revelations on the horizon, all eyes are on the unfolding case, waiting for the puzzle pieces to fall into place finally. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

17 Aug 20235min

The gruesome discovery of bodies on Gilgo Beach has perplexed authorities for years. In a recent episode of "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski sits down with forensic psychologist Joni Johnston to dissect the enigma surrounding Rex Heuermann and his potential link to the Gilgo Beach murders.   "The fact that the state of the bodies... all very similar... on the beach when they were found," Brueski starts, referring to the conditions of the bodies connected to Heuerman due to the discovery of his and his wife's hair. Yet, there are other victims whose conditions don't match these, raising the question of whether Heuermann was responsible for their deaths.   Johnston admitted the perplexity of the situation, "You look and you kind of go, there's no way this could be the same person." She drew attention to the fact that while some victims were neatly placed and bound, others were gruesomely dismembered and scattered in different areas. These stark differences make it challenging to believe that the same perpetrator committed all the crimes.   However, she emphasized that a serial killer's method of operation (MO) can evolve based on different situations and over time. "Is it possible that the same person starting out in their serial killing career... was very, very concerned about being caught?" she posed. By suggesting that the serial killer may have started by dismembering victims to reduce chances of detection and later evolved to a more "careful" method due to overconfidence, she offers a fresh perspective to the investigation.   "We don't know... how these other women died," she adds. If the other victims' death method matches those linked to Heuerman, it strengthens the possibility of him being responsible for all the crimes. She discussed the possibility that the killer might have viewed the location as a private graveyard to suit their psychological needs, emphasizing that how the killer treated the bodies post-mortem might be less significant than their actual killing method.   Brueski then brought up a curious piece of evidence: a belt left at the crime scene with the initials "WH" or "HM". He asked if this could be a calling card, a signature left intentionally by the killer. Johnston responded that while some killers have left 'calling cards', "it isn't very often that they leave a calling card." She explained that in most cases, it's inadvertent, with the killer possibly dropping something unintentionally in the rush or the darkness.   A critical question posed during their conversation was how someone, potentially like Heuermann, rationalizes their dark actions while leading a seemingly normal life. Johnston discussed the surprising ways some criminals justify their actions, often blaming the victim and diverting responsibility. "It's not my fault, it's the victim's fault," she highlighted as a common theme among many.   Addressing the duality of being a family man by day and a potential killer by night, Johnston pointed out that it's an "exaggerated version" of the compartmentalization everyone experiences. Using the example of law enforcement officers, she explained how people manage to separate their personal and professional lives. Serial killers, in her view, do the same but in a much more extreme manner.   The conversation provided valuable insights into the psyche of serial killers and the challenges involved in connecting seemingly unrelated crimes. As investigations continue, it's imperative to remain open to all possibilities, understanding that the minds of criminals can be as complex as the crimes they commit. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20238min

In a recent episode of the podcast Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski was joined by Joseph Scott Morgan, a Forensic Scientist and Distinguished Scholar of Applied Forensics at Jacksonville State University. The discussion delved into the intricate facets of forensic evidence related to an ongoing case involving a suspected serial killer.   At the onset, Morgan detailed the challenges of investigating cases where the bodies have been in a state of decomposition for several years. "We don't have a lot of solid data relative... about causes of death," he shared, linking the gaps in information to the advanced decomposition of the remains. The forensic scientist also touched upon patterns typically exhibited by serial killers in their modus operandi, indicating that most do not deviate from their preferred methods of execution.   He highlighted the case of one killer from New Orleans who derived perverse pleasure from using a garrot. Such killers revel in the physical pain they inflict, with the act of murdering becoming an intimate and personalized endeavor. This gruesome insight shed light on the psychology of serial killers and their attachment to certain methods of killing.   One of the more perplexing aspects of the case at hand is the varying states of the bodies found - some intact and others dismembered. Morgan stated, "What's fascinating about her [Fire Island Jane Doe] case is that her... legs were found that fateful day out on Fire Island back in 96... there's still no torso with her." This begs the question: why would a killer leave some bodies intact and yet take the time to dismember others?   Discussing this dichotomy further, Morgan posited a theory that the dismemberment could be a sign that the killer had more time with certain victims. "Is the dismemberment an indication that a subject may have had more time with someone they had targeted to kill?" Morgan mused. "It takes time to take a body apart... They would have done this, wrapped it and deposited it out there." On the contrary, other bodies might have been disposed of in haste, possibly wrapped in materials like burlap.   Contrasting these behaviors, Morgan underlined the difference between treating a dead body with a semblance of respect versus mutilating it. These variations can be significant when trying to understand the psyche of a serial killer and can give insights into their evolving patterns.   Yet, this very evolution is what baffles investigators. "To change how you're disposing of bodies is certainly an outlier in my experience," Morgan expressed. Brueski echoed the sentiment, pointing out that it's bizarre for one's methods to alter so drastically unless it's a sign of evolving behavior.   Adding a layer of complexity, the location of these bodies was discussed. The secluded nature of Long Island was emphasized, with its isolation being a potential factor in why it was chosen for body deposition.   A more unsettling aspect was the return of the suspected killer's family to their home, presumably a site of significant forensic evidence. The speed with which the house was released back to the family after investigations left both Brueski and Morgan shocked.   The podcast episode served as a sobering reminder of the complexities of forensic investigations, especially with serial killers. Morgan's insights provided a deep dive into the often unfathomable minds of those who commit such heinous acts, leaving listeners with more questions than answers about the ongoing case. As the investigation unfolds, both the public and experts alike await to see how forensic science will unveil the truths hidden within the evidence. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20239min

The enigmatic case of Rex Heuermann, an alleged serial killer with potential ties to various unsolved murders, has recently seen developments that promise further clarity. The details were discussed on the popular podcast "Hidden Killers," where host Tony Brueski conversed with Jennifer Coffindaffer, former FBI Special Agent and contributor to Hidden Killers Daily.   "We're talking about Rex Heuermann and some of the latest developments there. The swab is going to be done," began Brueski, hinting at the crucial move by law enforcement to transition from mitochondrial DNA to a direct swab from Heuermann's cheek. Despite initial resistance, the test is projected to provide substantial information when added to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). Coffindaffer commented, "Whenever his DNA hits CODIS, it will be a good day. Because no matter what, it's either going to exclude him or include him." Rex Heuermann's purported ties to unsolved crimes have recently come into focus, with particular attention given to victims found on Gilgo Beach. Several discovered bodies bore a disturbing signature: they were wrapped in burlap sacks. The police have reportedly found hair traces belonging to Heuermann and his wife on some of these victims.   However, not all bodies discovered on the beach fit this pattern. Brueski posed a significant question: did Heuermann change his modus operandi over time? Coffindaffer explained that while many killers dismember bodies to hinder identification, Heuermann might have realized he didn't need to take that step. "Maybe he realized, you know what, I don't need to go to these great lengths. This is my dumping ground," she speculated. But there remains the baffling possibility of another serial killer using the same site for disposing of bodies.   Adding to the complexity, a child and a reportedly trans-dressing male were among the victims found. This raises further questions about Heuermann's potential victims of choice and whether all discovered bodies can indeed be linked to him. Brueski pondered, "I don't know. I mean, I guess one of the things you'd have to look at is statistics of how frequently are they finding bodies on this beach?"   Addressing another crucial point, Brueski inquired whether Coffindaffer was aware of other cases in states where Heuermann had known activities similar to the burlap sack signature. "No, not yet," Coffindaffer revealed, but emphasized that mitochondrial comparisons had been made to other known cases in different states based on potential similarities in the method of operation.   The case has ignited interest due to its perplexing elements and the possibility of linking one man to multiple unsolved murders. The promise of forthcoming DNA results only heightens the anticipation. As Coffindaffer rightly concluded, referencing the late revelation about the Gilgo Beach connection, "We didn't hear a sound about gilgo until they were ready to come forward." Only time will unravel the full narrative behind Rex Heuermann's alleged dark deeds. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20236min

In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, Tony Brueski hosted Shavaun Scott, an accomplished psychotherapist and author, to delve deep into the psyche of criminals and understand the intricate workings of forensic psychotherapy.   The main focus revolved around individuals like Rex Heuermann, an accused criminal, and the psychological evaluations and therapeutic conversations conducted with such individuals while in custody. "These guys that commit such crimes are generally narcissistic, psychopathic, and sadistic. A trio of very problematic traits," remarked Scott.   According to Scott, individuals like Heuermann possess a dangerous cocktail of personality traits. Their narcissism, psychopathy, and sadism lead them to boast and brag. Interestingly, this very narcissism often becomes their downfall. "If you can get them talking, usually by asking questions appealing to their narcissism, they trip themselves up," Scott explained.   She then laid out the probable approach for forensic interviews. "I'd just want to get the guy talking at first. While you don't reveal the red flags they may be disclosing, careful notes are taken, and one listens, asking a lot of questions," she elaborated. Notably, psychological tests like the MPI and psychopathy checklists are incorporated to further understand their psyche.   But how effective are these tests? The reliability, Scott indicates, depends on the chosen tests and the skill level of the person administering them. Criminals with the aforementioned trio of traits often prove to be master manipulators. "They're storytellers and they're always spinning a tale," said Scott. But even the best of them can't hide their inconsistencies forever, especially if they're under extended scrutiny.   The "Hidden Killers" episode also touched upon the relevance of media coverage in crimes like Heuermann's. "Media can play a role, especially in inspiring the mass shooters, those with a political agenda, or an agenda against women," shared Scott. Such individuals can be influenced by media coverage, attempting to outdo each other.   However, in the case of serial killers, like Heuermann, the impact seems less direct. Scott said, "This kind of pathology develops so early in life. They've usually been having weird sexual fantasies since childhood." It's more ingrained, a deeper issue that's often hard to simply pin on media influence.   The conversation went on to differentiate between serial killers, who've harbored twisted fantasies from a young age, and mass killers, who act out more suddenly, without such a prolonged history. "It's usually not somebody who's been fantasizing about that for years, maybe a couple of years, but not going back to age eight, nine, or 10," explained Scott.   In conclusion, while each criminal is unique, understanding the intricate layers of their psyche and how it functions can be an invaluable tool in investigations and the justice system. As Shavaun Scott's insights suggest, even the most hardened criminals have vulnerabilities. The task for forensic psychotherapists is to find those cracks and help unmask the truth behind the façade. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20236min