Asa and the Daughter: Will Accused Gilgo Killer Heuermann’s Family Take the Stand?

The gruesome discovery of bodies on Gilgo Beach has perplexed authorities for years. In a recent episode of "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski sits down with forensic psychologist Joni Johnston to dissect the enigma surrounding Rex Heuermann and his potential link to the Gilgo Beach murders.   "The fact that the state of the bodies... all very similar... on the beach when they were found," Brueski starts, referring to the conditions of the bodies connected to Heuerman due to the discovery of his and his wife's hair. Yet, there are other victims whose conditions don't match these, raising the question of whether Heuermann was responsible for their deaths.   Johnston admitted the perplexity of the situation, "You look and you kind of go, there's no way this could be the same person." She drew attention to the fact that while some victims were neatly placed and bound, others were gruesomely dismembered and scattered in different areas. These stark differences make it challenging to believe that the same perpetrator committed all the crimes.   However, she emphasized that a serial killer's method of operation (MO) can evolve based on different situations and over time. "Is it possible that the same person starting out in their serial killing career... was very, very concerned about being caught?" she posed. By suggesting that the serial killer may have started by dismembering victims to reduce chances of detection and later evolved to a more "careful" method due to overconfidence, she offers a fresh perspective to the investigation.   "We don't know... how these other women died," she adds. If the other victims' death method matches those linked to Heuerman, it strengthens the possibility of him being responsible for all the crimes. She discussed the possibility that the killer might have viewed the location as a private graveyard to suit their psychological needs, emphasizing that how the killer treated the bodies post-mortem might be less significant than their actual killing method.   Brueski then brought up a curious piece of evidence: a belt left at the crime scene with the initials "WH" or "HM". He asked if this could be a calling card, a signature left intentionally by the killer. Johnston responded that while some killers have left 'calling cards', "it isn't very often that they leave a calling card." She explained that in most cases, it's inadvertent, with the killer possibly dropping something unintentionally in the rush or the darkness.   A critical question posed during their conversation was how someone, potentially like Heuermann, rationalizes their dark actions while leading a seemingly normal life. Johnston discussed the surprising ways some criminals justify their actions, often blaming the victim and diverting responsibility. "It's not my fault, it's the victim's fault," she highlighted as a common theme among many.   Addressing the duality of being a family man by day and a potential killer by night, Johnston pointed out that it's an "exaggerated version" of the compartmentalization everyone experiences. Using the example of law enforcement officers, she explained how people manage to separate their personal and professional lives. Serial killers, in her view, do the same but in a much more extreme manner.   The conversation provided valuable insights into the psyche of serial killers and the challenges involved in connecting seemingly unrelated crimes. As investigations continue, it's imperative to remain open to all possibilities, understanding that the minds of criminals can be as complex as the crimes they commit. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20238min

In a recent episode of the podcast Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski was joined by Joseph Scott Morgan, a Forensic Scientist and Distinguished Scholar of Applied Forensics at Jacksonville State University. The discussion delved into the intricate facets of forensic evidence related to an ongoing case involving a suspected serial killer.   At the onset, Morgan detailed the challenges of investigating cases where the bodies have been in a state of decomposition for several years. "We don't have a lot of solid data relative... about causes of death," he shared, linking the gaps in information to the advanced decomposition of the remains. The forensic scientist also touched upon patterns typically exhibited by serial killers in their modus operandi, indicating that most do not deviate from their preferred methods of execution.   He highlighted the case of one killer from New Orleans who derived perverse pleasure from using a garrot. Such killers revel in the physical pain they inflict, with the act of murdering becoming an intimate and personalized endeavor. This gruesome insight shed light on the psychology of serial killers and their attachment to certain methods of killing.   One of the more perplexing aspects of the case at hand is the varying states of the bodies found - some intact and others dismembered. Morgan stated, "What's fascinating about her [Fire Island Jane Doe] case is that her... legs were found that fateful day out on Fire Island back in 96... there's still no torso with her." This begs the question: why would a killer leave some bodies intact and yet take the time to dismember others?   Discussing this dichotomy further, Morgan posited a theory that the dismemberment could be a sign that the killer had more time with certain victims. "Is the dismemberment an indication that a subject may have had more time with someone they had targeted to kill?" Morgan mused. "It takes time to take a body apart... They would have done this, wrapped it and deposited it out there." On the contrary, other bodies might have been disposed of in haste, possibly wrapped in materials like burlap.   Contrasting these behaviors, Morgan underlined the difference between treating a dead body with a semblance of respect versus mutilating it. These variations can be significant when trying to understand the psyche of a serial killer and can give insights into their evolving patterns.   Yet, this very evolution is what baffles investigators. "To change how you're disposing of bodies is certainly an outlier in my experience," Morgan expressed. Brueski echoed the sentiment, pointing out that it's bizarre for one's methods to alter so drastically unless it's a sign of evolving behavior.   Adding a layer of complexity, the location of these bodies was discussed. The secluded nature of Long Island was emphasized, with its isolation being a potential factor in why it was chosen for body deposition.   A more unsettling aspect was the return of the suspected killer's family to their home, presumably a site of significant forensic evidence. The speed with which the house was released back to the family after investigations left both Brueski and Morgan shocked.   The podcast episode served as a sobering reminder of the complexities of forensic investigations, especially with serial killers. Morgan's insights provided a deep dive into the often unfathomable minds of those who commit such heinous acts, leaving listeners with more questions than answers about the ongoing case. As the investigation unfolds, both the public and experts alike await to see how forensic science will unveil the truths hidden within the evidence. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20239min

The enigmatic case of Rex Heuermann, an alleged serial killer with potential ties to various unsolved murders, has recently seen developments that promise further clarity. The details were discussed on the popular podcast "Hidden Killers," where host Tony Brueski conversed with Jennifer Coffindaffer, former FBI Special Agent and contributor to Hidden Killers Daily.   "We're talking about Rex Heuermann and some of the latest developments there. The swab is going to be done," began Brueski, hinting at the crucial move by law enforcement to transition from mitochondrial DNA to a direct swab from Heuermann's cheek. Despite initial resistance, the test is projected to provide substantial information when added to the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS). Coffindaffer commented, "Whenever his DNA hits CODIS, it will be a good day. Because no matter what, it's either going to exclude him or include him." Rex Heuermann's purported ties to unsolved crimes have recently come into focus, with particular attention given to victims found on Gilgo Beach. Several discovered bodies bore a disturbing signature: they were wrapped in burlap sacks. The police have reportedly found hair traces belonging to Heuermann and his wife on some of these victims.   However, not all bodies discovered on the beach fit this pattern. Brueski posed a significant question: did Heuermann change his modus operandi over time? Coffindaffer explained that while many killers dismember bodies to hinder identification, Heuermann might have realized he didn't need to take that step. "Maybe he realized, you know what, I don't need to go to these great lengths. This is my dumping ground," she speculated. But there remains the baffling possibility of another serial killer using the same site for disposing of bodies.   Adding to the complexity, a child and a reportedly trans-dressing male were among the victims found. This raises further questions about Heuermann's potential victims of choice and whether all discovered bodies can indeed be linked to him. Brueski pondered, "I don't know. I mean, I guess one of the things you'd have to look at is statistics of how frequently are they finding bodies on this beach?"   Addressing another crucial point, Brueski inquired whether Coffindaffer was aware of other cases in states where Heuermann had known activities similar to the burlap sack signature. "No, not yet," Coffindaffer revealed, but emphasized that mitochondrial comparisons had been made to other known cases in different states based on potential similarities in the method of operation.   The case has ignited interest due to its perplexing elements and the possibility of linking one man to multiple unsolved murders. The promise of forthcoming DNA results only heightens the anticipation. As Coffindaffer rightly concluded, referencing the late revelation about the Gilgo Beach connection, "We didn't hear a sound about gilgo until they were ready to come forward." Only time will unravel the full narrative behind Rex Heuermann's alleged dark deeds. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20236min

In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, Tony Brueski hosted Shavaun Scott, an accomplished psychotherapist and author, to delve deep into the psyche of criminals and understand the intricate workings of forensic psychotherapy.   The main focus revolved around individuals like Rex Heuermann, an accused criminal, and the psychological evaluations and therapeutic conversations conducted with such individuals while in custody. "These guys that commit such crimes are generally narcissistic, psychopathic, and sadistic. A trio of very problematic traits," remarked Scott.   According to Scott, individuals like Heuermann possess a dangerous cocktail of personality traits. Their narcissism, psychopathy, and sadism lead them to boast and brag. Interestingly, this very narcissism often becomes their downfall. "If you can get them talking, usually by asking questions appealing to their narcissism, they trip themselves up," Scott explained.   She then laid out the probable approach for forensic interviews. "I'd just want to get the guy talking at first. While you don't reveal the red flags they may be disclosing, careful notes are taken, and one listens, asking a lot of questions," she elaborated. Notably, psychological tests like the MPI and psychopathy checklists are incorporated to further understand their psyche.   But how effective are these tests? The reliability, Scott indicates, depends on the chosen tests and the skill level of the person administering them. Criminals with the aforementioned trio of traits often prove to be master manipulators. "They're storytellers and they're always spinning a tale," said Scott. But even the best of them can't hide their inconsistencies forever, especially if they're under extended scrutiny.   The "Hidden Killers" episode also touched upon the relevance of media coverage in crimes like Heuermann's. "Media can play a role, especially in inspiring the mass shooters, those with a political agenda, or an agenda against women," shared Scott. Such individuals can be influenced by media coverage, attempting to outdo each other.   However, in the case of serial killers, like Heuermann, the impact seems less direct. Scott said, "This kind of pathology develops so early in life. They've usually been having weird sexual fantasies since childhood." It's more ingrained, a deeper issue that's often hard to simply pin on media influence.   The conversation went on to differentiate between serial killers, who've harbored twisted fantasies from a young age, and mass killers, who act out more suddenly, without such a prolonged history. "It's usually not somebody who's been fantasizing about that for years, maybe a couple of years, but not going back to age eight, nine, or 10," explained Scott.   In conclusion, while each criminal is unique, understanding the intricate layers of their psyche and how it functions can be an invaluable tool in investigations and the justice system. As Shavaun Scott's insights suggest, even the most hardened criminals have vulnerabilities. The task for forensic psychotherapists is to find those cracks and help unmask the truth behind the façade. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 20236min

In a recent episode of the acclaimed podcast "Hidden Killers", host Tony Brueski had a riveting conversation with Forensic Psychologist Kate Wallinga. The focal point of their discussion was the ongoing Rex Heuerman case, which has witnessed yet another twist. As per recent developments, Heuerman's DNA is set for another round of testing.   Last week, the case gained attention when the defense argued that there wasn't sufficient probable cause to mandate a DNA test. Their contention was quickly dismissed by a judge, stating, “The court finds contrary to the defendant's contentions. There is probable cause to believe that the defendant committed the crimes charged, and therefore a basis to compel for the buccal swab."   This buccal swab, a procedure where cells are collected from the inside of a person's cheek, is pivotal. The DNA obtained will be compared with the mitochondrial DNA sample that was retrieved from a strand of hair. This hair was found on some of the victims, specifically on the burlap sacks that were used to cover their heads. Another compelling piece of evidence was a pizza crust found outside of Heuerman's office, which eventually led to his arrest.   Brueski expressed astonishment at the defense's argument, considering the substantial evidence already available. He posed a significant question: "I was amazed that anybody could be making the argument if this doesn't reach the level of probable cause, considering everything they pulled out of his house and all the other pieces of evidence that seem to link him to these crimes. What possibly does?"   Wallinga, with her forensic expertise, provided a comprehensive explanation. "The police's job is to find you guilty. Like cops, that's what they do. Their job is to find ways that you are getting in trouble and hold you accountable," she began. She clarified the roles of the police and defense attorneys, stating that while police aim to find guilt, the defense's job is to ensure that every step taken by the police is legitimate and above board. The defense's duty is to hold the police accountable.   She further delved into the intricacies of DNA-related cases, shedding light on the nuances involved. "It's really common in DNA cases like this where they find the mitochondrial DNA in the trash, for instance, because trash becomes public property. And then after that, you have to get a search warrant for a cheek swab," Wallinga explained.   This suggests that while the process may seem straightforward to the public, the legal intricacies and procedures involved can be complex. Both the police and the defense have their specific roles and responsibilities, and ensuring that each party adheres to their duties is crucial for the integrity of the justice system.   As the Rex Heuerman case progresses, it becomes evident that DNA testing and its legal stipulations play an indispensable role. Both Brueski and Wallinga’s conversation underscores the importance of understanding the legal procedures, ensuring that justice is not only done but is also seen to be done. As new evidence unfolds and the legal debate continues, listeners and followers of the case await the next chapter in this intriguing saga. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

16 Aug 202310min

In a recent episode of the "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski engaged in a revealing conversation with Clinical and Forensic Psychologist & licensed private investigator, Joni Johnston, as they grappled with the psychological complexities behind Rex Heuerman. Heuerman is the man now imprisoned amid harrowing allegations.   Brueski began by probing into the mind of such individuals: "As we dive into Rex Heuerman, from a psychological standpoint, how would someone approach the conversation about his mental state now that he's behind bars?"   Johnston's insight into this realm was both enlightening and compelling. She began, "It's hard to imagine a scenario when he would agree to a forensic psychological evaluation." But in the event that he did, Johnston explained, the primary objective is to build rapport. "Unless you can establish some kind of rapport with that person, you are going to get nowhere with them," she said.   She elaborated on her methods, "One of the things I do sometimes in evaluating defendants facing very difficult trials is I try to empathize with their feelings about where they are." Whether innocent or guilty, many defendants often feel trapped, victimized, and overwhelmed by their current circumstances. Approaching from a place of empathy, Johnston conveyed, is key to gaining their trust.   The motive of the psychologist's presence also plays a pivotal role. She stated, "Their reception of me is going to be different if I am coming in as a court-appointed evaluator, or if I'm coming in on behalf of the defense or the prosecutor." Johnston underscored the importance of transparency and ensuring the person understands their rights, including the right not to participate.   Delving deeper, she described her tactic to approach such conversations gradually. "I start really from a subject that's very far away from the current situation... starting with non-threatening questions, talking about their childhood, where they grew up, earliest memories... and I gradually work my way up to the current situation."   However, Johnston highlighted that interviews form just a part of a multifaceted process. She brings in psychological testing as a potent tool. "It gives me a way to compare this particular person to thousands of other people who've taken some of the same instruments." As Johnston shared, these assessments are designed to detect inconsistencies, offering insights into whether someone is feigning mental illness or denying its presence.   She added, "One of the things that really differentiates a forensic evaluation from a clinical evaluation is that person may have a very understandable reason to lie." To counteract potential deceit, Johnston stressed the importance of consulting diverse sources, from custody officers to witness statements, and even to the person's previous acquaintances. This expansive approach provides a rounded view, helping identify patterns in behavior, whether indicating mental health issues or stability.   Johnston concluded, "It really is a pretty comprehensive evaluation that takes that person where they are now. Depending upon what the referral question is, I'm gonna use all those strategies to put together and form some kind of opinion about this person."   The insightful exchange between Brueski and Johnston offers a glimpse into the intricacies of forensic psychology. As the case of Rex Heuerman unfolds, the importance of understanding the mind behind the man becomes ever more crucial, not just for the case but for the broader comprehension of the human psyche. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

15 Aug 20234min

The complex case against Rex Heuermann is coming into focus as law enforcement authorities are piecing together evidence that spans multiple states and years. In a recent podcast episode, "Hidden Killers," host Tony Brueski discussed the case with Neama Rahmani, a former Federal prosecutor.   "About the case against Rex Heuermann and the evidence spanning... multiple years here... What kind of challenges does that give?" Brueski opened the discussion, highlighting the magnitude of the case. Rahmani responded with a sobering reflection on the challenges ahead. "Oh, it's a huge one," he began, illustrating the enormity of the investigation that crisscrosses jurisdictions from South Carolina to New Jersey and even Las Vegas.   Rahmani delved deeper into the intricacies, especially concerning the prosecutions: "On the prosecution side, they're gonna have a lot of resources, you know, FBI and so forth." The alleged crimes involve multiple victims, many of whom may be linked to Heuermann. The vastness of the crime scene and the myriad of evidence make the case reminiscent of high-profile cases like that of Harvey Weinstein. Rahmani pointed out that just like Weinstein, who faced trials in multiple states, Heuermann could be subjected to the same fate. "It's not just dealing with New York. He's gonna likely have to deal with... prosecutions in those jurisdictions too," Rahmani noted.   Brueski brought up the chilling detail of child pornography charges that Heuermann faces, hinting at the gravity of the situation, even if other charges do not stick. Rahmani agreed, explaining the stringent sentencing around such crimes, especially at the federal level. "Given, um, he's almost certainly gonna be convicted of that. I mean, there's really no defense," Rahmani stated unequivocally.   An alarming aspect of the case, however, is the possibility of Heuermann facing the death penalty, considering the nature and span of his alleged crimes. Rahmani acknowledged the potential but also pointed to the nuances of jurisdictional law. "In New York, I think hasn't had a death penalty case in, in quite some time. So this strikes me as a life case again unless he ends up getting prosecuted in a death penalty jurisdiction. I think South Carolina is one of those."   The conversation took a turn when Brueski probed into the quality of the investigation thus far, asking if there were any areas that stood out. Rahmani did not hold back, highlighting criticisms of the previous district attorney and allegations of federal corruption within the office. Rahmani reflected, "There's folks there who are doing some federal prison time." The nature of the victims also played a role in the slow progression of the case. Many victims are young women without much familial or social support, making them easier to overlook.   Drawing attention to the technological advancements that have made crime-solving significantly more efficient over the past decade, Rahmani remarked, "Law enforcement has such a huge advantage." From advanced DNA evidence to internet search histories and surveillance footage, the evidence-gathering tools available are vast. Yet, Rahmani concluded with a pointed observation: "Given the advantage that the police department and... federal agents have, when it comes to investigating these cases, it does really make you question why it took so long to find them."   The case against Rex Heuermann unfolds as a testament to the intricate web of crime and justice, revealing both the prowess of law enforcement and the challenges they face in a rapidly evolving digital age. The trial, undoubtedly, will be one closely watched, not just for its verdict but for the light it sheds on our justice system's strengths and weaknesses. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

15 Aug 20235min

The recent episode of "Hidden Killers," a renowned podcast hosted by Tony Brueski and Stacy Cole, focused on the controversial case of the Gilgo Beach murders. As the hosts discussed, the accused murderer, Rex Heuermann, who has been finger-pointed for these horrendous crimes, remains innocent until proven guilty. The hosts, however, made it clear that the opinions presented were those of John Ray, an attorney representing some of the victims' families, and not of the podcast.   John Ray's statements were brought into focus primarily because they sometimes contradict popular opinion. Tony mentioned, "When you see a case like this, you identify immediately, you know, the victims." Often, society marginalizes and denigrates the victims because of their professions. Stacy Cole noted that the world's oldest profession, alluding to prostitution, has been around for a long time. Both hosts firmly believe that no matter the profession, no one ever deserves to be a victim of such heinous acts.   Tony reflected on the societal bias against the victims, which possibly contributed to the prolonged time taken to solve the case. He mentioned that the victims were often seen as "society's lesser," leading their cases to be put on the back burner. Stacy added that unless there are families or loved ones pushing for answers and justice, such cases often go unnoticed.   Enter John Ray. Having represented some of the victim families for nearly a decade, Ray has had significant involvement in this case, even before Rex  Heuermann's name surfaced. Ray's current focus, according to the hosts, is on Asa, Rex's wife. Tony stated, "I think they're fair questions to be asked" while discussing potential connections to Rex's alleged crimes.   Tony and Stacy discussed how in many instances, the families of accused individuals are often seen as victims. Drawing parallels with the BTK killer's family, Tony emphasized that just because one family was unaware doesn't mean that's the case for every serial killer's family.   A point of contention was a GoFundMe account for Asa's family. Tony revealed research suggesting that the family's net worth may range between $5 to $7 million, putting into question the need for such a fundraiser. "Is it truly going to a place of good?" Tony questioned.   John Ray's opinion on the matter was that Asa seems to be "playing a con game," implying that there might be hidden motives behind her raising funds. Ray's most controversial point was regarding the possibility that Asa might have had knowledge about Rex's affiliations with sex workers.   Tony wrapped up the discussion by reiterating that these are just opinions and official evidence is still pending. Both hosts were united in their emphasis on caution and the importance of verifying information before concluding.   As the Gilgo Beach murders case continues to unfold, "Hidden Killers" sheds light on various perspectives, ensuring that listeners remain informed from all angles. The podcast serves as a reminder that in a world filled with gray areas, staying informed and open-minded is paramount. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

15 Aug 202319min