Eric Fleming on Middle-of-the-Day Deployments - Episode 41

Eric Fleming on Middle-of-the-Day Deployments - Episode 41

Today’s episode is all about recognizing middle-of-the-day deployments; how teams such as Netflix, Facebook, and even the Azure DevOps Product Team are doing them; and taking a look at how other teams can achieve that for themselves!

Jeffrey Palermo’s guest today is Eric Fleming, a Software Architect at Clear Measure. Eric leads an intense team, developing and operating a mission-critical software system in the financial sector. He lives in Alpharetta, Georgia, and is a host of the Function Junction Youtube Channel, which is all about Azure functions. He’s also written articles for MSDN Magazine and CODE Magazine.

In this episode, Eric takes Jeffrey through his journey of inheriting a monolithic software system and the major transformations he had to execute to get it where it is today; deploying in the middle of the day! He explains the key steps he took in breaking up the monolith, the development process, who was involved, what the structure and DevOps environments looked like, and all of the details you need to know if you’re finding yourself in a similar situation!

Topics of Discussion:

[:52] How to get your hands on Jeffrey’s book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[2:04] About today’s episode and featured guest.

[3:00] Jeffrey welcomes Eric to the podcast!

[3:06] Eric begins the story of how he inherited a software system and the journey it took getting it to deploy in the middle of the day.

[9:58] Fast forward to today, what does this software system look like now?

[11:50] What does Eric attribute to his ability to handle a high-throughput in only four app servers?

[15:52] Eric’s process for deploying the 50-sum processes that need to be deployed.

[17:32] A word from Azure DevOps sponsor: Clear Measure.

[17:59] Eric speaks about their Git Repositories.

[19:25] Eric explains what the structure and DevOps environments of one of his applications looks like (that is a Windows service with its own Git Repository).

[21:45] Who is involved whenever part of the system is being deployed?

[25:37] Has there been development process differences during their monthly deployments/monolith time?

[26:22] Now that they are shipping every day/whenever they need to, what has become of their sprints? And how do they get some features done in just a day and ready to deploy within days? What does this look like and how do they implement this pattern?

[31:50] Do sprints even exist in this new world?

[33:31] The major transformations that Eric had to execute to get to where he is today with the software system, and some of the first steps he took to breaking up the monolith.

[36:27] Would Eric have been able to start breaking the monolith apart if he didn’t have automated tests?

[38:47] Resources Eric recommends to listeners in a similar situation to where he was!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor) — Reach out to Jeffrey @JeffreyPalermo on Twitter if you have a user group or conference and would like some free copies of .NET DevOps for Azure!

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject — Visit for an example of .Net DevOps for Azure

Function Junction Youtube Channel

MSDN Magazine

CODE Magazine
Eric Flemming’s Twitter: @EFleming18

NServiceBus

Particular Software
TeamCity

Octopus Deploy

Sumo Logic

New Relic

Accelerate: The Science of Lean Software and DevOps: Building and Scaling High Performing Technology Organizations, by Nicole Forsgren PhD, Jez Humble, and Gene Kim

The DevOps Handbook: How to Create World-Class Agility, Reliability, and Security in Technology Organizations, by Gene Kim, Patrick Debois, John Willis, and Jez Humble

The Phoenix Project: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford

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Greg Leonardo: Architecting for Azure  - Episode 205

Greg Leonardo: Architecting for Azure - Episode 205

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Daniel Roth: Blazor Futures - Episode 204

Daniel Roth is a principal product manager on the ASP.NET team working on ASP.NET Core, Blazor, and other web features. He has previously worked on various parts of .NET, including System.Net, WCF, XAML, and ASP.NET. His passions include building frameworks for modern Web frameworks that are simple and easy to use.   Topics of Discussion: [2:45] Daniel talks about the high points of his career that led him to the ASP.NET team, along with a few changes he has seen in the industry, along the way. [6:25] The developer ecosystems have been opened up. [7:40] Daniel talks about Blazor Hybrid. [9:43]  If you have a web app, and you want to just reuse that UI within a native client app, you can have a common set of Blazor components that are used across both. [10:28] Daniel talks about .NET 7 and how they are taking it to the next level. [14:46] The Blazor Native Experiment is available through a project called the Mobile Blazor Bindings Project. [24:03] Jeffrey asks Daniel about his favorite ways that people should be testing the UI level of Blazor Applications. [27:03] What people should be expecting in the next year. [34:16] Tooling and debugging is an area we can continue to actively invest in.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! “Daniel Roth On Web Development With .Net 6” “Egil Hansen on Blazor Testing with bUnit”   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Kendall Roden: Azure Container Apps - Episode 203

Kendall Roden: Azure Container Apps - Episode 203

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Steve Sanderson: The future of Blazor and WebAssembly - Episode 202

Steve Sanderson: The future of Blazor and WebAssembly - Episode 202

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Greg Young: CQRS and EventSourcing- Episode 201

Greg Young: CQRS and EventSourcing- Episode 201

Greg Young is an independent consultant and serial entrepreneur. He has 10-plus years of varied experience in computer science from embedded operating systems to business systems and he brings a pragmatic and often unusual viewpoint to discussions. Greg coined the term “CQRS” (Command Query Responsibility Segregation) and it was instantly picked up by the community who have elaborated upon it ever since. He’s a frequent contributor to InfoQ, a speaker/trainer at Skills Matter, and also a well-known speaker at international conferences.   Topics of Discussion: [3:24] Greg talks about being poached from university and his path to computer science, starting in the lottery and horse racing systems. [7:25] Greg defines CQRS at the base level. [9:24] What is event sourcing? [11:25] How does it look in database technology? [19:19] How does asynchronous processing work with event sourcing? [22:44] Greg talks about causation ID and correlation ID. [26:49] If someone is running on Azure, what technology would be associated with the stream of event sourcing? [27:27] When you’re event sourcing, your events are your concept of truth. [28:15] What’s the relationship between event sourcing and CQRS? [31:16] How has Greg’s method of explaining these concepts changed over time? [31:36] When you teach something, you both get a better understanding of the thing that you’re teaching, and you get a better understanding of how to teach it to somebody.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Greg Young Twitter Greg Young GitHub Event Store Greg Young YouTube   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

11 Juli 202238min

Tomas Petricek: Cultures of Programming - Episode 200

Tomas Petricek: Cultures of Programming - Episode 200

Tomas Petricek is a lecturer at the University of Kent and a partner at fsharpWorks. He believes that the most fundamental work is not the one solving hard problems, but the one that offers new ways of thinking. He follows this belief in his academic research on programming systems and the history and philosophy of computing, but also in his writing on functional programming and in his F# training and consulting.   Before joining Kent, Tomas did a Ph.D. on context-aware computations at the University of Cambridge, worked on F# tools in Microsoft Research, and built novel tools for data exploration at The Alan Turing Institute.   Topics of Discussion: [4:19] The Turing Institute, and a little bit more about Alan Turing. [6:01] How can we distill 70 years into something understandable in a reasonable period? [8:52] What were the early cultures of programming? [14:00] Fortran programming and how ALGOL was designed by a sort of more academic crowd as a universal programming language. [15:00] We hear some well wishes from listeners and past guests for the 200th episode! Thank you! [21:27] Tomas discusses hacker culture and how the term programmer has changed over the years. [26:06] Tomas’s prediction on where the culture of programming is going next. [27:03] The amazing ad for a programming system called Flow-Matic. [29:22] Why we need escape hatches is because there is a fundamental flaw with no-code and low-code approaches.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Cultures of Programming Sonic-Pi.NET Tomas Petricek Twitter fsharpworks Twitter Tomas Petricek Website   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

4 Juli 202242min

Daniel Vacanti: Measuring Agile Software Teams - Episode 199

Daniel Vacanti: Measuring Agile Software Teams - Episode 199

Daniel is a 20-year software industry veteran who got his start as a Java Developer/Architect. He has spent most of the last 15 years focusing on Lean and Agile Practices. In 2007, he helped develop the Kanban Method for knowledge work. He even managed the world’s first project implementation of Kanban that year and, ever since, has been conducting Kanban training, coaching, and consulting. As the co-founder and CEO of ActionableAgile, Daniel provides industry-leading predictive analytics tools and services for any Lean-Agile process.   Topics of Discussion: [4:19] Daniel explains why he feels as though the right curriculum is not yet taught in college. [8:00] It’s important to bridge your conversations both in terms of the risk and your ability to deliver on a date in terms of risk. Then, you can have a conversation about what you want to do as a business to mitigate the risks and also accept that they are there in the first place. [10:14] Daniel explains his more data-informed approach when asked how long something is going to take. Jeffrey asks, but how do we find the data that helps us make informed decisions in the first place? [14:43] What are those numbers that give the right visibility? [16;03] The four aspects every manager of a software team should have at their disposal and be monitoring: Work in progress Throughput Cycle Time The age of items that they are working on right now [19:00] Our ability to come up with ideas is always going to outstrip our ability to execute them. That’s why backlogs grow over time. [21:49] Daniel explains the method to go from using Azure DevOps to having numbers at your disposal, and what are the two important pieces of data that you need? [24:41] How does the ActionableAgile tool help when every team board is totally different? [28:44] If your engineering practices are continuous, your process should be continuous as well.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Daniel's previous interview: “Daniel Vacanti On ActionableAgile” Daniel's latest book: When Will It Be Done? LinkedIn: danielvacanti Twitter: @danvacanti Email: Daniel@ActionableAgile.com ActionableAgile   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

27 Juni 202238min

Andrew Lock: Web Applications in .NET6 - Episode 198

Andrew Lock: Web Applications in .NET6 - Episode 198

Andrew Lock is a senior software engineer at Datadog, working out of Devon, in the UK. He is a Microsoft MVP, Author of ASP.NET Core in Action, and has an active blog all about his experience working with .NET and ASP.NET Core.   Topics of Discussion: [3:35] Andrew discusses the high points in his programming career that steered him to work with .Net6. [5:30] Andrew walks us through all the .NET frameworks and demystifies the overwhelm around all the options. [9:38] Andrew’s favorite method at the moment for web applications on top of .NET is Razor Pages. [12:53] Does anyone really want web applications? [15:31] Andrew explains his philosophy and experience and guidance on testing. [19:18] Is there any kind of structure or pattern that people should be thinking about to keep the classroom lessons not overflowing? [26:16] What web applications would Andrew recommend? [30:19] The topic of custom applications and components comes up.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! ASP.NET — email jeffrey@clear-measure.com for a chance to win a free copy of ASP.NET Core in Action from Andrew Lock. — available book discount code: — Permanent discount code for Manning publications (35% off I believe), for all listeners, podazdev19 Carter Project Andrew Lock | LinkedIn | Github | Endpoints   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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