Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

On this week’s podcast, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner are joining the show! Kayla is a Program Manager on the Windows Terminal Team and has been working for Microsoft for the last 8 years, and Rich is a Senior Program Manager, also on the Windows Terminal Team and has been with Microsoft for nearly 4 years.

Kayla and Rich are speaking with Jeffrey today to discuss how the Windows Terminal Team does DevOps. They’ll be speaking about all the recent news regarding the new Windows Terminal, the history of what it has meant to the command line on Windows (as such a critical part of the operating system), and all that they do to ship code and set up their DevOps environment! They also share information on which dependencies and environment you need to have in place to actually build it and run it locally for yourself.

Tune in to get the full scope on this really critical piece of software!

Topics of Discussion:

[:44] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes!

[:51] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[2:15] About today’s guests, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner.

[2:28] Jeffrey welcomes Kayla and Rich on to the podcast!

[3:23] How Kayla and Rich landed on the Windows Terminal Team and how the creation of the new Windows Terminal came about.

[13:11] What is Kayla’s tool of choice for creating wireframes and mockups?

[14:20] Rich picks their story back up from when Kayla joined the Windows Terminal Team.

[16:21] Starting with their thought process around architecture, Rich speaks about what goes on before they even put hands to keyboards.

[24:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[25:06] How will they be documenting this going forward?

[25:52] How do they have the code for Windows Terminal organized?

[29:46] Rich shares the GitHub URL for the new (and original) Windows Terminal and Kayla explains which dependencies and environment you need to have in order to actually build it and run it locally.

[31:52] Kayla and Rich talk about the build process and the whole flow of making changes.

[33:52] Kayla begins explaining the process piece-by-piece (from their method of branching, what testing framework is used, how many tests are in the terminal codebase to how they automate the workflow in GitHub, the workflow for members, and more).

[42:09] What’s the breadth of static analysis that’s part of the build? And what are their tools of choice for the steps involving static analysis?

[45:05] Rich gets into what’s at the end of the chain after the pull request gets accepted and merges into master (i.e. what the process looks like and what steps are there).

[48:09] What is their opinion about the viability of small text-based user interfaces?

[54:20] Rich gives his recommendations on where to get started and learn more.

[55:48] Jeffrey thanks Rich and Kayla for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Windows Terminal (Preview)

Microsoft Ignite 2019

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey’s .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX)

Kayla Cinnamon’s LinkedIn

Rich Turner’s LinkedIn

Figma

Microsoft Visio

GitHub.com/Microsoft/Terminal

TAEF

Turbo Vision

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Kayla’s Twitter: @Cinnamon_MSTF

Rich’s Twitter: @RichTurn_MS

DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/CommandLine

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Jeff Julian: IoT with Meadow and Wilderness Labs - Episode 267

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Jeremy Miller: Parallelism in Software - Episode 261

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Nathaniel Schutta: Thinking Architecturally - Episode 260

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