Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

On this week’s podcast, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner are joining the show! Kayla is a Program Manager on the Windows Terminal Team and has been working for Microsoft for the last 8 years, and Rich is a Senior Program Manager, also on the Windows Terminal Team and has been with Microsoft for nearly 4 years.

Kayla and Rich are speaking with Jeffrey today to discuss how the Windows Terminal Team does DevOps. They’ll be speaking about all the recent news regarding the new Windows Terminal, the history of what it has meant to the command line on Windows (as such a critical part of the operating system), and all that they do to ship code and set up their DevOps environment! They also share information on which dependencies and environment you need to have in place to actually build it and run it locally for yourself.

Tune in to get the full scope on this really critical piece of software!

Topics of Discussion:

[:44] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes!

[:51] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[2:15] About today’s guests, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner.

[2:28] Jeffrey welcomes Kayla and Rich on to the podcast!

[3:23] How Kayla and Rich landed on the Windows Terminal Team and how the creation of the new Windows Terminal came about.

[13:11] What is Kayla’s tool of choice for creating wireframes and mockups?

[14:20] Rich picks their story back up from when Kayla joined the Windows Terminal Team.

[16:21] Starting with their thought process around architecture, Rich speaks about what goes on before they even put hands to keyboards.

[24:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[25:06] How will they be documenting this going forward?

[25:52] How do they have the code for Windows Terminal organized?

[29:46] Rich shares the GitHub URL for the new (and original) Windows Terminal and Kayla explains which dependencies and environment you need to have in order to actually build it and run it locally.

[31:52] Kayla and Rich talk about the build process and the whole flow of making changes.

[33:52] Kayla begins explaining the process piece-by-piece (from their method of branching, what testing framework is used, how many tests are in the terminal codebase to how they automate the workflow in GitHub, the workflow for members, and more).

[42:09] What’s the breadth of static analysis that’s part of the build? And what are their tools of choice for the steps involving static analysis?

[45:05] Rich gets into what’s at the end of the chain after the pull request gets accepted and merges into master (i.e. what the process looks like and what steps are there).

[48:09] What is their opinion about the viability of small text-based user interfaces?

[54:20] Rich gives his recommendations on where to get started and learn more.

[55:48] Jeffrey thanks Rich and Kayla for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Windows Terminal (Preview)

Microsoft Ignite 2019

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey’s .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX)

Kayla Cinnamon’s LinkedIn

Rich Turner’s LinkedIn

Figma

Microsoft Visio

GitHub.com/Microsoft/Terminal

TAEF

Turbo Vision

Chocolatey
Kayla’s Twitter: @Cinnamon_MSTF

Rich’s Twitter: @RichTurn_MS

DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/CommandLine

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Andy Roberts: Data in a Development World - Episode 243

Andy Roberts: Data in a Development World - Episode 243

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Donovan Brown is Retiring - Episode 242

Donovan Brown is a Partner Program Manager in the Azure CTO Incubations team at Microsoft. The Incubations team focuses on forward-looking development and innovation to facilitate the development of new projects and ideas. Before joining Microsoft, Donovan spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master. Donovan has traveled the globe helping companies develop solutions using agile practices in many industries. Donovan is an avid programmer, often finding ways to integrate software into his other hobbies and activities.   Topics of Discussion: [7:37] Why is Donovan retiring? [8:49] Donovan talks about redefining his success and the decision he and his wife made to go live the life they want to live. [12:03] Living paycheck to paycheck is a bad idea, regardless of how big the paycheck is. [14:02] The importance of paying yourself first and making good money choices. [17:50] If it’s putting money in your pocket, it’s an asset. Some houses are assets, while others are liabilities. [18:36] Your money is your number one employee. [23:42] Donovan gives his thoughts on inflation. [31:00] Donovan gives advice for those early on in their career in both programming and making wise money decisions, including avoiding credit card debt. [31:26] The importance of being tenacious despite not having a degree or experience. [40:47] Donovan encourages programmers to learn a language that allows them to dabble in all different platforms.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Ep 002 with Donovan Ep 219 with Donovan   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Tim Corey: Learning Programming - Episode 241

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Bojan Magusic: Azure Security - Episode 240

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Thomas Vitale- Kubernetes - Episode 239

Thomas Vitale- Kubernetes - Episode 239

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3 Apr 202337min

Chris Sainty: Blazor in Action - Episode 238

Chris Sainty: Blazor in Action - Episode 238

Chris is a Microsoft MVP, author, and software engineer with over 17 years of experience with ASP.NET. Passionate about sharing his knowledge with the community, he regularly writes both for his own blog as well as others — such as Visual Studio magazine, Progress Telerik, and StackOverflow. This passion for blogging led to his first book, Blazor in Action, a practical guide to building Blazor applications. He also maintains several popular open-source projects under the GitHub organization, Blazored. When not tapping on a keyboard, Chris is a keen speaker, having delivered talks at both user groups and conferences all over the world.   Topics of Discussion: [1:15] Jeffrey puts out a call for those who may be looking to work with him. [4:41] What was Chris’s start in the industry? [10:07] Chris talks about falling in love with Blazor and why he is so passionate about it. [12:10] Chris shares how he got into blogging and why he thinks it should be for everyone, not just those at the senior level. [15:22] Talks about winning the Microsoft MVP award. [15:48] How does Chris talk about Blazor when creating a new application? Are there defaults that he goes to? [21:51] Chris talks about his organizational technique on the client side. [25:05] In Chris’s book, Blazor In Action, he talks about GitHub repositories that he likes. [27:04] Structuring web APIs from a security perspective. [28:00] How does Chris segment different projects? [33:47] What is Chris’s favorite method of putting together an authentication flow?   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Chris Sainty Website Chris Sainty LinkedIn Chris Sainty YouTube Chris Sainty Microsoft Blazor In Action Blazor In Action on Manning.Com - PBSAINTY for 50% off Blazored on GitHub   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Toni Solarin-Sodara: Developer Tools for Test Automation - Episode 237

Toni Solarin-Sodara: Developer Tools for Test Automation - Episode 237

Toni Solarin-Sodara is a Software Engineering Lead at Microsoft. He specializes in developer tooling, working at the client platform layer, and building the runtime libraries and tools that enable shipping code to various operating systems and devices. Toni is also the creator and lead maintainer of Coverlet, a cross-platform code coverage framework for .NET, with support for line, branch, and method coverage.   Topics of Discussion: [1:23] Jeffrey puts out a call for some opportunities to work with him! E-mail jeffrey@clear-measure.com to get more info. [4:05] What led to Toni’s career in development and programming? [5:18] What went into the .NET runtime contribution (native AOT)? [8:16] One thing Toni is quite proud of is being able to build native libraries by using the technology. [9:08] AOT stands for ahead-of-time compilation. [10:23] What is Coverlet and why does it work? [15:13] In what areas does Coverlet work very well? [15:27] A good chunk of what Coverlet does is allow transparency in the build system integration. [16:41] What’s the process for taking multiple runs of multiple test suites and getting them into one report? [23:53] What is Toni’s view on how the code coverage results should be used? [24:47] How do you get code coverage results when the actual test project is running on a different server? [30:46] What does Pose do and why is it useful?  [41:08] Toni says that .NET is actually pretty extensive, even as a programming language workbench. [41:40] What are expression trees?   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps .NET Pose Coverlet   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Grant Fritchey: SQL Server Performance Tuning - Episode 236

Grant Fritchey: SQL Server Performance Tuning - Episode 236

A Microsoft Data Platform MVP, Grant Fritchey works for Red Gate Software as a Product Advocate. Grant has more than 30 years of experience in the industry as a DBA and developer. Grant is an active participant in the SQL Server Central discussion forums. He writes articles for SQL Server Central and Simple-Talk. He blogs regularly at scarydba.com. Grant is the author of several books including SQL Server Query Performance Tuning and SQL Server Execution Plans. Grant teaches classes on data management and databases around the world. He teaches in the smallest user group settings and at the largest events.   Topics of Discussion: [2:24] How did Grant get into the industry? [5:40 Are there any big shifts that more recent developers and all developers need to know about shifts in how databases have worked? [13:10] What should developers know about the ecosystem when you’ve taken a system and broken it up into multiple applications? [16:07] What has changed in Grant’s book, Query Performance Tuning? [20:34] Performance comes down to the code. It always comes down to the code. [23:58] What are some of the main tools that developers should have in their toolbox? [26:20] Why Grant recommends Extended Events and Query Store. [32:41] Grant gives us his sales pitch. [38:40] What does Grant think the future looks like?   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Query Performance Tuning ScaryDBA.com SQL   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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