Part 17 - Dr. Bill Schindler on Food, Our Ancestors, and How We Became Human

Part 17 - Dr. Bill Schindler on Food, Our Ancestors, and How We Became Human

Dr. Bill Schindler is the director of the Eastern Shore Food Lab at Washington College where he is also an associate professor of archaeology and anthropology. Two years ago he co-hosted the National Geographic show The Great Human Race. He spent the last year abroad continuing his hands-on research and professional development by immersing himself and his family with indigenous and traditional groups around the world to learn about their food and diets. As an experimental archaeologist and primitive technologist his specialties are in recreating technologies of the past to better interpret our ancestral diets. His current focus is learning how to translate the outcomes of that research into something meaningful for modern day diet and health and is working to fuse lessons from our ancestral dietary past with modern culinary arts to create a food system that is relevant, accessible and meaningful to modern Western life.

We got into so many interesting things like the development of humans and how it tracked with food technology, drinking blood and milk with pastoral tribes in Africa, eating brains, ancient food preparation and hunting, my favorite topic - nutrient density, and so much more. It was so enlightening talking to him, I'll stop talking now so you can have a listen.

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Show Notes

  • Dr. Bill Schindler is a professor at Washington College in Maryland
  • Director of Eastern Shore Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
  • His whole life has led up to his career and interests
  • His dad took him into nature and he learned to deal with taking an animal's life even though he didn't enjoy it
  • Also grew up with mom and grandmother in kitchen cooking - realized it was all connected
  • Learned to hunt and make tools as our ancestors did
  • He became what's known as an experimental archeologist
  • Almost every single primitive technology made is related to food. Every tool and invention was based on getting food, processing food, storing food
  • THe realization of the different types of food processing made all the difference
  • Food processing of the past all focused on INCREASING nutrient density
  • All modern food processing focused on money savings, shipping, shelf life, etc.
  • Modern food processing also DECREASES nutrient density
  • Not everything new we do is bad though
  • Dairy is a hot topic. Just because we didn't always consume it or other mammals don't consume it past a certain time in their life, doesn't mean it's not healthy (if you tolerate it)
  • Everything changed 3.4 million years ago when we made the first tool
  • Humans are one of the weakest species on the planet on our own
  • Our bodies and brains were quite small before we created tools to access meat
  • Our digestive systems are actually pretty inefficient. We need to process our food with tools and fire to feed our large brains
  • We have bones from Ethiopia that have butcher marks on them from this time, as well as impact fractures to get bone marrow inside
  • 2 million years ago the invention of fire and some other hunting techniques were monumental for our species
  • Humans started off as scavengers
  • Once we started actually hunting ourselves we had first access to the animals we killed so therefore all the most nutrient dense, choice parts like the organ meats, etc.
  • Results in a huge increase in body and brain size and women catch up in size to men more
  • We mimic other animals in techniques of acquiring and processing foods
  • Our biology isn't set up to eat meat like other carnivores - humans are set up to use tools and technology to consume nutrient dense animal products
  • As we changed our diets, our bodies adapted to it. Homo sapiens wouldn't have made it 300,000 years ago if we didn't develop these extensions of our physical form necessary to cook and process meat
  • We have brains that require high quality animal fats to function
  • What is domestication? Humans were the first domesticated species - we domesticated ourselves
  • Our teeth got smaller as we started relying on processing food outside of our bodies
  • If we had absolutely nothing and were left to survive, the first thing we'd have to do is create a tool or control fire. Our body can do almost nothing on it's own
  • Our food technology tracked with our body and brain size over history
  • Almost all our modern produce was at one point toxic
  • Nobody knows our exact diet 300k years ago, but that doesn't matter - we have certain nutritional requirements that were established
  • We accomplished the impossible back then, but even more impossible we now have gotten ourselves obese and malnourished at the same time
  • We're using modern processing to create nutrient-free food and it is what we are basically programmed to seek out in the modern food environment
  • He argued with a pediatrician who was demanding patients to drink skim milk
  • We evolved away from our chimp ancestors who's digestive systems were made for digesting a ton of plant matter
  • When we became bipedal 5-7 million years ago, everything changed
  • Apes have to eat all day long and have giant jaw muscles to do this and tiny brains
  • Theories on why are brains doubled in size
  • Fat was prized for all of history
  • Eating the ENTIRE animal
  • White meat chicken breasts are the least nutrient dense, newest, wackiest thing we could eat
  • His family rule is kill the animal yourself or know the person who raised and killed it
  • Farmers markets are key
  • The advent of agriculture can clearly be seen in the fossil record with a decrease in physical size and brain size
  • What's the real problem with agriculture?
  • How can we utilize modern agriculture and technology to feed the billions of earth today?
  • Connect yourself to your food. Try foraging. Go hunting. Go to a butcher. Make the foods you like from scratch at least once.
  • Know the story of food
  • Focus on quality
  • Animals are the most nutrient dense foods available, especially the organ meats, brains, marrow, etc.
  • He spent a year abroad in places like Kenya and Mongolia and studied many hunter gatherers such as the Hadza
  • He was with a group that brought down a genet cat and ate all the organs immediately
  • They were continuously hunting and gathering and hide a very varied diet
  • Picturesque physiques with wide, healthy jaws, white teeth, big smiles, almost prancing as they ran
  • Just blood and milk diet for 6 months
  • How to have a meaningful conversation about diet, health, and sustainability
  • Took a year off to live with these cultures and wrote a book
  • His TV show on NatGeo called The Great Human Race http://www.natgeotv.com/int/the-great-human-race
  • We must use the lessons of the past to learn what to do now and the future
  • He painstakingly made all the period-accurate clothes for the show by hand
  • How did our ancient ancestors lived based on this knowledge?
  • We weren't "surviving" - we must have been thriving to be able to continue having many babies who could then propagate our species
  • Food Lab https://www.washcoll.edu/departments/eastern-shore-food-lab/
  • His personal site http://ancestralinsight.com
  • Follow all his work over the past year http://FoodEvolutions.org
  • Twitter http://twitter.com/drbillschindler
  • Join the Sapien Movement http://SapienMovement.com

Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Sapien Movement: http://SapienMovement.com Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg Theme music by https://kylewardmusic.com/

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Part 192 - Ashley and Sarah Armstrong on Breaking Free from the Low Carb Myth

Part 192 - Ashley and Sarah Armstrong on Breaking Free from the Low Carb Myth

Ashley and Sarah Armstrong, aka The Strong Sistas, are powerlifters and nutritional coaches who are passionate about bioenergetic nutrition and regenerative agriculture. Suffering from autoimmune disease, the sisters have adopted an animal based lifestyle, utilizing the Carnivore Diet and the Ketogenic Diet, which has transformed their lives. Today, they live on a regenerative farm in Michigan and, in addition to their coaching practice, co-host the Rooted in Resilience Podcast.  Website: https://www.armstrongsisters.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/strong.sistas/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@StrongSistas/featured Show Notes  (04:59) Your ability to produce energy, resist disease, and eat a wide variety of foods is developed in the environment you grew up in. (12:38) We need to develop food awareness rather than food fear. (19:57) Reduce your endotoxin load to mitigate its negative impact on estrogen and serotonin. (31:58) There are many misconceptions around PUFAs and saturated fat. (40:27) A weight loss program can result in health issues because even a short-term caloric deficit leads to a significant decrease in thyroid hormone conversion from T4 to T3. (50:29) Calories-in, calories-out does matter; but, the state of your thyroid impacts your basal metabolic rate. (55:50) Ease of digestion should be considered when determining what to prioritize in your diet. (1:05:32) Dr. Ray Peat believes that the small intestine should be relatively sterile (1:13:09) Putting on muscle is extremely advantageous to women over 30.

18 Apr 20231h 29min

Part 191 - Calley Means on How the Sickcare System Cons the World for Trillions

Part 191 - Calley Means on How the Sickcare System Cons the World for Trillions

Calley Means is the cofounder of True Medicine, which enables patients to use HSAs/FSAs to buy healthy food, exercise and supplements. He is writing a book, co-authored with his sister Dr. Casey Means, about how preventable cellular dysfunction (caused primarily by food) is at the root of nearly every chronic condition that plagues American life – and how to fix it. https://calleymeans.com/ Calley has invested in healthcare companies aiming to transform the current sick-care system, including Levels (providing patients with more metabolic health data), Atai (a leading mental health/psychedelic company), Delix (a leading psychedelic company), and Rejuveron (a leading longevity company), as well as consumer startups such as RapidSOS, UpSmith, Dynamic.xyz, and Vibe. Previously, Calley co-founded a company called Anomalie with his wife, which was acquired by David's Bridal. Anomalie's solution is the only customizable, made-to-order bridal brand that helps brides of all sizes, styles, and budgets visualize and create their perfect dream dress. https://twitter.com/calleymeans https://www.instagram.com/calleymeans/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/calley-means-a29b5512/ SHOW NOTES: (12:02) Is the growth of the healthcare industry correlated with better outcomes? (18:54) Humans and domesticated animals are the only creatures struggling with systematic obesity, depression, and metabolic dysfunction. (24:45) The average American today goes through 17 different medical specialists throughout their life. (30:59) Most forms of cancer aren't "unlucky". They're very preventable. (44:01) Food, alongside other metabolic habits, are causing not just a health epidemic in the U.S., but economic and political turmoil as well. (54:17) The American Diabetes Association said that as long as you take your drugs (if you're Type 2 diabetic) you can eat whatever you want. (56:43) Ultra-processed food is made up of highly-processed grains, sugar, and seed oils. (1:02:16) The USDA recommends up to 10% of our diet to be added sugar, nudging us into funding our destruction. (1:13:16) Is there any way, right now, without waiting for policy change, to use our current health benefits to buy root cause habits? GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

12 Apr 20231h 24min

Part 190 - Dr. Ted Naiman & Nick Norwitz, PhD and the Food System Scoring Wars

Part 190 - Dr. Ted Naiman & Nick Norwitz, PhD and the Food System Scoring Wars

Ted Naiman is a board-certified Family Medicine physician in the department of Primary Care at a leading major medical center in Seattle. Senior Science and Communication Advisor for DietDoctor.com. His research and medical practice are focused on the practical implementation of diet and exercise for health optimization. He has an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering and utilizes engineering principles when dealing with complex systems such as human health and nutrition. https://tednaiman.com/ Dr. Nicholas Norwitz obtained his PhD in ketogenic nutrition and metabolism from Oxford University and is pursuing his MD at Harvard Medical School. He is a certified Metabolic Health Practitioner (MHP), and the author of peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbook chapters on topics including Alzheimer's disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, gastrointestinal health, genetics, osteology, and Parkinson's disease, as well as a blogger and lecturer on the application of the ketogenic diet as metabolic medicine. https://twitter.com/nicknorwitz GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES: [9:49] What is the idea of a healthy diet for a day? [13:05] The biggest factor in the obesity crisis. [17:19] Which is more important: food or exercise? [23:23] Are seed oils poison? [29:08] Satiety Per Calorie concept. [34:05] Is Nutrient Density scoring system going to work? [50:41] Satiety Per Calorie scoring system complexity. [1:13:50] Can the Diet Doctor resource scores be harmful for patients? [1:19:20] What is the Carbohydrate Insulin Model? [1:23:25] What all these models can not explain? [1:32:36] Is it possible to create a scoring system that would be generalizable? Studies: [44:35] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30429127/ https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/128308 https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(22)00919-9.pdf [1:17:00] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18805087/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23376733/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12672919/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17437143/ [1:24:11] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32666008/ [1:25:46] and [1:29:12] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916522106167?via%3Dihub GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

4 Apr 20231h 47min

Part 189 - DEBATE: Should You Eat Carbs For Muscle Growth? Logan Delgado & Robert Sikes

Part 189 - DEBATE: Should You Eat Carbs For Muscle Growth? Logan Delgado & Robert Sikes

Robert Sikes (@ketosavage) is the Keto Savage, Founder of the Keto Brick, and accomplished Keto Bodybuilder. Robert is the author of the new book - Ketogenic Bodybuilding, a Natural Athlete's Guide to Complete Savagery which is the culmination of his research and experience over the past 7 years of ketogenic natural bodybuilding, earning his pro card, and working with hundreds of clients. Robert hosts the Keto Savage podcast, the popular Keto Savage youtube channel with vlogs, cooking demos, and he also coaches clients through online coaching to improve their health, performance, and body composition. Logan Delgado, also known as GoodyBeats, is the co-founder and chief brand officer of BioCoach. Logan used to be 225lbs, overweight and out of shape and completely transformed his life through nutrition and exercise. A YouTuber, husband & father of two little girls, Logan is a huge inspiration in the health space and works his butt off every day to build a bigger following and influence to help motivate people! If you want some serious diet, workout, and life motivation give him a follow. Instagram: @goodybeats YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfLrsGeU0MJNw8o5aDdt5Bw GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES: (16:40) Be aware of how emotions play into your dietary choices, and never rely on willpower alone to keep you on track. (31:54) Sustainability is key to any dietary protocol. (37:10) A species-appropriate diet is not a high-carbohydrate diet, and especially not one made of highly-refined carbohydrates. (44:36) Diets are simple, but people are complicated. (59:34) Familiarize yourself with the nutritional makeup of the foods you eat on a daily basis. (1:05:45) Carbs can help in muscle-building as long as the other pieces of the puzzle are in place. (1:17:46) Building muscle has a myriad of benefits for everyone. This is part of the new Peak Human Debate Series where I talk to leading doctors, scientists, and health influencers about controversial topics. GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

29 Mars 20231h 35min

Part 188 - Dr. Kwadwo Kyeremanteng on Taking Control of Your Own Health

Part 188 - Dr. Kwadwo Kyeremanteng on Taking Control of Your Own Health

Brian sits with Dr. Kwadwo Kyeremanteng, an ICU Physician, and Head of the ICU Department, who also has a background in palliative care. Working on research into ways to make the healthcare system more sustainable, Dr. Kwadwo created the Resource Optimization Network and hosts the Solving Healthcare podcast. In his work Dr. Kwadwo noticed the relationship between metabolic syndrome or other underlying chronic conditions and covid outcomes. Following this, he took up a mission to empower patients with tools and knowledge to make healthy life choices that prevent and even reverse these diseases. GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES: (07:43) Facing the pandemic, Dr. Kwadwo's mission was to inform people about crucial factors that affect covid outcomes. (16:40) Many doctors are also struggling to balance their work with healthy living (19:35) How do doctors respond to the newer dietary recommendations as against the typical nutritional training? (17:34) The rigidity of doctors, whether due to ego or fear of being wrong, played out negatively in the pandemic. (24:57) Dr. Kwadwo has seen no case of a healthy patient ending up in the ICU due to covid-19. (35:53) The protein hack. (46:55) How can all these health strategies be passed across to the larger public? (54:00) How do families implement these changes? GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

15 Mars 20231h

Part 187 - Miki Ben-Dor on Our Meat-Eating & Happiness Utopia Before Agriculture

Part 187 - Miki Ben-Dor on Our Meat-Eating & Happiness Utopia Before Agriculture

Brian once again sits down with Miki Ben-Dor, a paleoanthropologist affiliated with Tel Aviv University. He specializes in the association between nutrition and evolution in humans, with a particular focus on reconstructing the Paleolithic diet. He conducted the study titled The evolution of the human trophic level during the Pleistocene (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24247) and is the author of the 2023 book Live Paleo Style which can be purchased on Amazon. GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES (06:47) The top two principles that the hunter-gatherers of the past lived by was autonomy and equality. (15:44) What most people call the "paleo diet", Miki simply calls our "natural diet". (31:24) Sharing is common in all nomadic hunter-gatherer societies. (46:14) Those who continue to push the high-fiber, low-meat lifestyle are doing so disingenuously. (1:15:40) Brian and Miki recap just a few pieces of evidence that humans evolved to be high-trophic-level carnivores that do best when they primarily consume meat and fat (1:30:00) Meaning is found in helping others. GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

8 Mars 20231h 48min

Part 186 - Dr. John Jaquish - Is Lifting Weights a Waste of Time?

Part 186 - Dr. John Jaquish - Is Lifting Weights a Waste of Time?

Brian sits down with Dr. John Jaquish, the Wall Street Journal bestselling author of the book Weight Lifting Is A Waste Of Time, So Is Cardio, And There's A Better Way To Have The Body You Want! He developed OsteoStrong, a groundbreaking bone density building medical technology, and is now in partnership with Tony Robbins. He is also the inventor of the X3 Bar, which has been proven to develop muscle much faster than conventional weight lifting. Dr. Jaquish's methods have been used to train the world's most elite athletes, such as the entire Miami Heat organization, various NFL and NBA players, as well as Olympians. Use the promo code SAPIEN to get $50 off your X3 Bar at https://www.jaquishbiomedical.com/x3-bar/. BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post SHOW NOTES (12:05) According to Dr. Jaquish, 99% of people who go to the gym make no progress in their physique goals. (21:06) With variable resistance, you deal with more weight in positions where you are stronger, and dealing with less weight in positions where you are biomechanically inefficient. (28:06) For optimal muscle growth, you need a lot of protein in your system. Consuming up to 200 grams every day often makes it hard to eat anything else (i.e. carbs). (33:45) Metabolic rebound is the reason some muscle growth is associated with fasting, as demonstrated in a study conducted by Henry Alkire (https://www.linkedin.com/in/henry-alkire). (44:16) Supposedly, eating one meal per day puts you at higher risk of all-cause mortality. Dr. Jaquish finds a major flaw in the study (https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S2212267222008747) which claims this. (47:06) A healthy heart is highly-dependent on testosterone. (56:40) Cardio is a waste of time. For full show notes with links to all the studies join the Patreon BUY THE MEAT NosetoTail.org Preorder the film here: http://indiegogo.com/projects/food-lies-post Film site: http://FoodLies.org YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FoodLies Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

28 Feb 20231h 10min

Part 185 - Layne Norton, PhD and The Great Diet Debate

Part 185 - Layne Norton, PhD and The Great Diet Debate

Layne completed a BS in Biochemistry and a PhD in Nutritional Sciences, honing his intellectual skills under Dr. Donald Layman, one of the foremost researchers on protein metabolism and fat loss in the world. He has also enjoyed success in bodybuilding, winning a natural pro card in 2006. He is the founder of BioLayne. He created the company to provide ethical, science-based coaching that synthesized real world experience with evidence based protocols. In his coaching career he has turned over 70 people pro and reshaped the way that countless people think about nutrition. https://biolayne.com GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org SHOW NOTES: (9:51) There is no "one-size-fits-all" prescription in the fitness and nutrition space. (19:50) There is no such thing as "good" and "bad" foods. (24:15) Nuance is king in the fitness and nutrition space. (31:36) Don't sweat the carb/fat debate. (49:01) Layne doesn't claim to be an arbiter of truth; but, he's all for intellectual honesty. (1:03:00) Brian and Layne debate on common points of contention in nutritional science. (1:22:30) It's much easier to live an unhealthy life today compared to just three decades ago. Learn more about the individuals and studies we mentioned in today's episode: Dr. Ted Naiman: https://www.dietdoctor.com/authors/dr-ted-naiman-md "Co-consumption of Vegetables and Fruit, Whole Grains, and Fiber Reduces the Cancer Risk of Red and Processed Meat in a Large Prospective Cohort of Adults from Alberta's Tomorrow Project": https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/8/2265 Ultra-Processed Diets Cause Excess Calorie Intake and Weight Gain: An Inpatient Randomized Controlled Trial of Ad Libitum Food Intake: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(19)30248-7.pdf GET THE MEAT http://NosetoTail.org FREE SAPIEN FOOD GUIDE http://sapien.org Follow along: http://twitter.com/FoodLiesOrg http://instagram.com/food.lies http://facebook.com/FoodLiesOrg

15 Feb 20231h 36min

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