#40 David Roche - The Rules of High Carb Training, How to Train the Gut, Fatigue Resistance, & Training the Pros
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#40 David Roche - The Rules of High Carb Training, How to Train the Gut, Fatigue Resistance, & Training the Pros

David Roche -- ultra marathoner, elite running coach, and what Rory's calling the godfather of the high carb revolution -- joins the Out and Back for episode 40. He started as a running back at Columbia, spent years coaching before ever being competitive himself, and broke the Leadville 100 course record in 2024 (and again in 2025!) largely by stress-testing the same principles he'd been building with his athletes. The conversation covers a lot of ground: how he thinks about carb intake across different race distances, why he separates hydration from fueling, the case for uphill treadmill threshold work, what unites his coaching across trail, road, and ultra, and why he keeps looking to cycling for answers the running world is slow to ask.

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#36 - How to taper for a Marathon and How to Recover After | Shakeout Podcast with John Gay

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#35 Between Reps - London Marathon, 2:05 in Ohio, Has the marathon changed forever? Listener Questions!

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#34 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Reflection after running 2:06 and 2:09, What a weekend!

#34 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Reflection after running 2:06 and 2:09, What a weekend!

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#33 Ben Rosario - Running Industry Insider, Professional Coach and Founder of NAZ Elite, Race Director, Running Store Owner

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#32 Between Reps - Boston Marathon Edition, Deep Dive into our Boston Builds, Will the World Champs Marathon be Successful? How Hard is it to Make Multiple US Olympic Marathon Teams?

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