EP 110: “The Verm” Returns — Life Lessons at Age 62, Fun Facts About Birds, and Injury Stories

EP 110: “The Verm” Returns — Life Lessons at Age 62, Fun Facts About Birds, and Injury Stories

This is round 2 with John Sherman aka “The Verm”. We sat in the desert near Hueco Tanks and chatted over a few beers. We talked about ‘Wheatiesgate’ and the lost art of heckling, finding and developing areas before the internet, dealing with aging, photographing and studying birds, life lessons, injury stories, and John’s favorite beers.

*I recommend listening to my first episode with Verm (EP 108) before this episode.

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0:06:39 – The Michael Salem catalog

0:09:33 – West Texas in the early 80s

0:17:02 – ‘Wheatiesgate’ and the lost art of heckling

0:27:16 – Patron question from Eli: As bouldering has evolved, what has stayed the same?

0:28:39 – Adventureland, and the experience of climbing boulders without names or stars or grades

0:34:39 – Finding Ibex, UT, and discovering new areas before Google Earth

0:41:40 – Patron question from Brandon: What advice would The Verm give to a new climber?

0:48:09 – Aging, prostates, and swollen knuckles

0:55:34 – Hangdogging, new-age tactics, and why John feels like Jason Kehl is a kindred spirit

0:58:33 – What has surprised John about aging, and how baby birds poop

1:02:09 – Cognitive decline, and other scary things that come with age

1:06:32 – Taking his foot off the gas, getting out of shape, and calorie counting

1:10:29 – Getting an amazing personal trainer, and fixing his elbow issues by fixing his shoulders

1:17:52 – Patron question from Brandon: What got you into birding? And what about it got you hooked?

1:24:27 – Patron question from Brandon: Has birding taught you any life lessons?

1:42:27 – Injury stories and life lessons

2:31:29 – Developing bouldering in Ibex, UT

2:37:02 – A year in Verm’s life, and tick marks

2:44:10 – Return of the harrier, and more bird facts

2:52:10 – Favorite books and short stories

2:57:59 – Verm’s memoir idea, favorite books, and sports

3:07:50 – Climbing with Paul Robinson and Michaela Kiersch

3:14:59 – The compression revolution, John Gill, slab dynoing, and the Hoover Maneuver

3:23:59 – Patron question from Brandon: Top three beers? (and the De Garre story)

3:38:20 – Patron question from Craig: What bird best represents your personality? (and duck penises)

3:46:15 – Patron question from Craig: What bird would John Gill be?

3:53:04 – The baboon story

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EP 100: Ben Moon — How Ben Moon Uses the MoonBoard, and the Evolution of Sport Climbing

EP 100: Ben Moon — How Ben Moon Uses the MoonBoard, and the Evolution of Sport Climbing

Ben Moon is a famous rock climber from the UK. He was the first person to climb 5.14c (8c+) with his route ‘Hubble’. He is also the inventor of the MoonBoard. We talked about his early climbing experi...

3 Tammi 20222h 7min

Follow-Up: Paige Claassen — Dreamcatching, and Learning to Celebrate (Teaser)

Follow-Up: Paige Claassen — Dreamcatching, and Learning to Celebrate (Teaser)

This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of a follow-up call with Paige Claassen. We talked about her send of ‘Kryptonite’ shortly after our first interview, how she warm...

16 Joulu 202131min

EP 99: Q&A 4 — Goals for 2022, Dating on the Road, and What I’ve Learned from Nearly 100 Episodes

EP 99: Q&A 4 — Goals for 2022, Dating on the Road, and What I’ve Learned from Nearly 100 Episodes

In Q&A 4, I tackle patron questions about Hueco round 2 and other goals for 2022, my plans for V12 and 5.14, how my trip to Leavenworth went and plans to return, my favorite features in the van, datin...

13 Joulu 20212h 33min

Follow-Up: Tyson Schoene — Building Champions, and Keeping Things Simple (Teaser)

Follow-Up: Tyson Schoene — Building Champions, and Keeping Things Simple (Teaser)

This full episode is available for Patrons right now! This is a teaser of a follow-up call with Tyson Schoene. We talked about the recent USA Climbing 2021 National Championships, some of the differen...

11 Joulu 202131min

EP 98: Kyra Condie — The Olympic Experience, Training With a Fused Spine, and Thriving in Organized Chaos

EP 98: Kyra Condie — The Olympic Experience, Training With a Fused Spine, and Thriving in Organized Chaos

Kyra Condie is a 25-year-old professional climber based out of Salt Lake City, UT, and was one of four climbers to represent the US at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. We talked about whistling, dream broadwa...

6 Joulu 20211h 50min

EP 97: Austin Hoyt — Favorite Zones in the Northeast, Rediscovering Old Projects, and Being a GUNKaholic

EP 97: Austin Hoyt — Favorite Zones in the Northeast, Rediscovering Old Projects, and Being a GUNKaholic

Austin Hoyt is an 18-year-old kid from New York whose tick list rivals some professional climbers. We talked about balancing school with climbing, what he learned from his first coach, his FA of ‘Flas...

29 Marras 20211h 35min

EP 96: Joe Kinder — The Love of Projecting, Leaving a Legacy, and the Other Side of Cancellation

EP 96: Joe Kinder — The Love of Projecting, Leaving a Legacy, and the Other Side of Cancellation

Joe Kinder is one of the hardest-working route developers in North America. We talked about his recent ascent of ‘Kinder Cakes’ 5.15a in Rifle, CO,  putting up routes in mediocre rock, leaving a legac...

22 Marras 20212h 53min

EP 95: Tyler Algeo — Starting a Climbing Gym in Africa, Climb Malawi, and Raising Black Sons as a White Dad

EP 95: Tyler Algeo — Starting a Climbing Gym in Africa, Climb Malawi, and Raising Black Sons as a White Dad

Tyler Algeo is a Canadian who moved to Africa and started a climbing gym, with the goal of creating a socio-economically inclusive climbing community in Malawi. We talked about learning to climb in Ir...

15 Marras 20212h 11min

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