Just Say No To The DSO
Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not the option to sell to a DSO is the right choice. Our expert hosts, Bob Spiel, MBA and Nate Williams, CPA, CFP take listeners on a step by step journey through Season One laying out the realities of selling a practice to a DSO and why this isn't as good as it sounds, or the only option for successful dentists to have a thriving practice. Come and listen for the years of experience inside dentistry, as well as medicine, that have led to their logical arguments and stay for additional audience and listener feedback.
Questions you’d like addressed live in future episodes can be sent to: questions@justsaynotothedso.com

Let's start the discussion on how to save the future of the Dental Industry.

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Rookie Season: Why New Grads Should Just Say No to the DSO

Rookie Season: Why New Grads Should Just Say No to the DSO

In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO, hosts Bob and Nate tackle a letter from oral surgeon Louis D, unpacking whether new grads should join a DSO for quick reps or hold out for private practice. ...

6 Marras 37min

Musical Chairs, Crap Sandwiches, and the People Left Holding Them

Musical Chairs, Crap Sandwiches, and the People Left Holding Them

In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO, hosts Bob and Nate examine the current DSO landscape and the groups of people they do not envy: DSO management teams managing unhappy doctors, founders whose...

30 Loka 32min

Ethics Over Equity: Why “Who Pays the Most?” Is the Wrong Question

Ethics Over Equity: Why “Who Pays the Most?” Is the Wrong Question

In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO, hosts Bob and Nate take on the ethics of selling a dental practice, sparked by a lengthy Dentaltown post from Howard Farran that frames the decision almost e...

29 Loka 54min

Debriefing Dr. Whitney Weiner: Hype, Arbitrage, and the Icon Pitch

Debriefing Dr. Whitney Weiner: Hype, Arbitrage, and the Icon Pitch

In this episode of Just Say No to the DSO, hosts Bob and Nate debrief their recent conversation with Dr. Whitney Weiner, an influential periodontist and Chief Growth Officer at Icon. They examine her ...

16 Loka 38min

Billy Madison Energy: Dissecting Chip’s Walmart-and-Recession Pitch

Billy Madison Energy: Dissecting Chip’s Walmart-and-Recession Pitch

Nate and Bob open this episode of Just Say No to the DSO by dissecting a recent email from broker Chip Fitchner that treats Walmart’s quarterly numbers and the next recession as proof every dentist sh...

28 Syys 36min

The Fox in the Henhouse: Chip Fichtner, Fear, and Greed

The Fox in the Henhouse: Chip Fichtner, Fear, and Greed

Bob Speil and Nate Williams open with the starfish principle—one doctor who doesn’t sell is worth the whole podcast—then analogize DSO dealmaking to Big Tobacco: a fortune in getting people hooked, al...

4 Syys 52min

Two Sides of the Issue with Dr. Whitney Weiner

Two Sides of the Issue with Dr. Whitney Weiner

In this episode, Dr. Whitney Weiner shares her journey from private practice to joining ICON Dental Partners, discussing the motivations, challenges, and industry insights related to group dentistry a...

15 Elo 57min

Clawing His Way Back Out with Dr. Brad Langley

Clawing His Way Back Out with Dr. Brad Langley

This is a special Just Say No episode with a dentist who entered into a DSO and realized it was the wrong way forward for himself as his patients. Dr. Brad Langley recounts his tale of not only saying...

1 Elo 53min

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