Episode 113 - Astonishing Stories with Neil Bearden

Episode 113 - Astonishing Stories with Neil Bearden

In this episode of the Hacker Valley Studio podcast, hosts Ron and Chris interview Neil Bearden, storytelling expert and founder of The Story School and Plot Wolf Ltd. Neil originally started his career by teaching statistics and behavioral economics but had an astonishing introduction to storytelling by a stranger in San Francisco.

The episode begins by Neil sharing that he began his career in academia by completing a PhD in psychology which led to him teaching statistics, behavioral economics and behavioral decision-making. At some point, Neil found that he had a passion for storytelling and started the first MBA course at our INSEAD university on storytelling called storytelling workshop. Teaching storytelling at university helped Neil discover that the storytelling market is the entire world! Which ultimately led to his recognition and founding companies that help individuals tell their greatest stories.

While completing his postdoctoral studies at Duke University in 2005, Neil attended a neuroscience conference in San Francisco where he decided to go for a walk and ran into a stranger that asked him, “Would you like to hear some poetry young man?”. After Neil agreed, the man said:

“They’re latent semantics embedded deep down inside these rambles; these aren't the ravings of a madman alone, the dark with candles.

These are my notes, the underground they were sent to me from the year 2012

Dusky as he said to a beat these lyrics, they were pinned in a prison cell

Caught up with a knife, sent to the compression of vacuum tubes that articulate expressions

Are readily answered with a question.

A rhythm that's progressing

It keeps the head nodding like you agreeing with the lesson

Your freedom, It's called the question - Free will. That's obsolescent.

It's a myth from long ago. It's no longer relevant to the present.

So you must obey then all your thoughts young man, you must replace them with this prism. You’re plugged into the system. You too are now in prison.

In the matrix of your mind known as walls, ancient wisdom in a system of symbols, encrypted and deeply hidden

In the depths of your unconscious as if it were forbidden from outside awareness, by the id who does its bidding”

The man introduced himself as Osiris, a poet. For several hours, Neil and Osiris shared life experiences together while Osiris recited poems at his own accord throughout the night. After departing, Neil never had the opportunity to meet Osiris again but did attempt to track him down years later with no luck.

After the introduction to Osiris, Neil made a commitment that he’d begin writing poetry and cultivate the courage to share his stories publicly. Neil learned that he could halt beer bottles from clinking, discussions happening, and have listeners lean in while telling a great story. This compelled Neil to pivot from teaching statistics at university to teaching storytelling. After teaching storytelling for many years, Neil realized that he wanted to make a bigger impact and become an entrepreneur and teach storytelling to anyone who needs it.

Today, Neil helps companies and individuals add spice to their stories by extracting the details of a story that helps listeners internalize and visualize the nutrient rich details of a story. Neil is often humbled by the fact that he was able to pivot to a psychology PhD to storyteller organically and is able to help so many through having conversations.

As the podcast progresses, Neil highlights the difference between a story and a “crappy little speech”. While telling a story, the presenter needs to invoke a visual experience for the audience and provide a mental movie. Providing description of looks, taste, and feel helps build a mental model for the audience when being told a story. Everyone has experiences and knowledge that is story worthy.

0:00 - Intro

2:52 - This episode features Neil Bearden, founder of The Story School and Plot Wolf Ltd

3:57 - Neil’s introduction to storytelling by Osiris, the poet.

12:20 - The search for Osiris after 2005

15:09 - How Neil helps companies and individuals with storytelling 18:03 - Difference between a story and a crappy little speech

23:51 - Shaking the dust off of a story and making it great

26:00 - Using previous experience from statistics to tell stories

36:36 - Advice for beginning to tell your story

41:00 - How to stay in touch with Neil Bearden

Links:

Connect with Neil Bearden on LinkedIn

Learn more about Hacker Valley Studio.

Support Hacker Valley Studio on Patreon.

Follow Hacker Valley Studio on Twitter.

Follow hosts Ron Eddings and Chris Cochran on Twitter.

Learn more about our sponsor ByteChek.

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The AI Shift You Can’t Ignore with Marco Figueroa

The AI Shift You Can’t Ignore with Marco Figueroa

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Superhuman Productivity and AI Mastery with Pedram Amini

Superhuman Productivity and AI Mastery with Pedram Amini

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A Human-Centric Approach to Cybersecurity with Edna Conway

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Rise of the Machines: Why Your Attack Surface Has More Holes Than You Think ft Pandian Gnanaprakasam

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Did you know nearly half of your enterprise devices are agentless—leaving your attack surface wide open? In this episode, Ron is joined by Pandian Gnanaprakasam, Co-Founder and Chief Product Officer at Ordr, to discuss the critical risks posed by agentless devices and how orchestration can strengthen your defenses. Pandian shares key findings from Ordr’s 2024 "Rise of the Machines" report, highlighting the risks of overlooked agentless devices. He covers the rapid growth of these devices, strategies to manage vulnerabilities, and how automation can strengthen your defenses.   Impactful Moments: 00:00 - Introduction 04:15 - Why agentless devices dominate the next decade 06:30 - Insights from Ordr's “Rise of the Machines” report 08:50 - Hidden risks: 42% of devices are agentless 11:15 - Solving the "Swiss cheese" problem of security gaps 14:30 - Prioritizing vulnerabilities with business context 18:10 - Orchestration vs. automation: The harmony difference 22:00 - Why visibility is the foundation of security 27:30 - Ordr’s unique approach to securing the attack surface Links: Connect with our guest, Pandian Gnanaprakasam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gpandian/ Check out Ordr’s Rise of the Machines report here: https://ordr.net/resources/rise-of-the-machines-report-2024 Check out our upcoming events: https://www.hackervalley.com/livestreams Join our creative mastermind and stand out as a cybersecurity professional: https://www.patreon.com/hackervalleystudio Love Hacker Valley Studio? Pick up some swag: https://store.hackervalley.com Continue the conversation by joining our Discord: https://hackervalley.com/discord Become a sponsor of the show to amplify your brand: https://hackervalley.com/work-with-us/

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How a Game Turned a Watchmaker into a Cybersecurity Pro with Simeon Kakpovi

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Managing and Mitigating Cyber Risks For Your Assets with Jerich Beason and Wes Wright

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