RRU 082: Progressive SSR with Dinesh Pandiyan
React Round Up8 Okt 2019

RRU 082: Progressive SSR with Dinesh Pandiyan

Dinesh Pandiyan is a developer from India. He started as a backend engineer and then moved to frontend. Currently he is working for ThinkMill in Sidney, Australia. Today Dinesh and the panel are talking about devtools and progressive SSR. Dinesh got started with React Redux. The panelists talk about their experiences using primarily Redux for projects. Dinesh talks about his transition from backend to frontend and how it’s a totally different world. On the backend he was working in Java and it ran on a server, but on the frontend, code runs in a browser and the browser is very different for each user. Frontend development is tricky because you don’t know where your code is going to run. One of the trickiest parts of frontend development is debugging something in production. Unless you have good logging tools, you won’t know what’s going on. Debugging this stuff when it’s running on client browsers is hard, but when you’re in development mode your own browser you’ve got handy tools. They talk about some of the tools in React, and agree that console.log is the greatest debugging tool of all time. Dinesh talks about some of the most surprising features about React dev tools. You can benchmark your preferences and identify weaklings in your project, which are things that slow down your application or things that might slow it down. On an application level, you have to build a mental model of how the data flows from the top, where things change, etc, and dev tools can help you build that pretty easily. They talk about how things had to be done before great React tools. In fact, Dinesh chose React just for the devtools. They talk about how the dev tools for React compare to Java. The most important thing is that you have a good debugger that can stop where you want it to. They transition to talking about the differences between SSR and progressive SSR For SSR (Server Side Rendering), rendering happens on the server and you send it to the client. CSSR (Client Server Side Rendering) is when all the rendering happens on the client’s side. PSSR (Progressive Server Side Rendering) is where you render small chunks on the server and then send it to the client bit by bit. They talk about how this has been occurring from the beginning of the internet. This concept is similar to microfrontends. Dinesh gives advice on how to implement PSSR. He says that when you surver render, it loads on differently. Your framework has to do one complete pass of the histiema, so this means you cannot send things to the client until the whole histema is designated. To beat this they’ve been doing a mix of SSR and CSR, with the header, body, and non critical content rendering on the client side. PSSR bridges the gap between SSR and CSSR. How do we make it real and how do we use it? The panel discusses ways to make PSSR a reality. Dinesh has been experimenting with it with extra services, and he gives his method for doing it, emphasizing the importance of where you divide your code is very important, it has to be in sequence. CSS Grid solves this problem, so you could render things out of order and the browser puts it in the right spot. They talk about other ways to get around it. Lucas shares some of the difficulties he’s encountered with streaming and rendering. They talk about the new feature for the Phoenix framework for Elixir, Live View Now. For this feature, you don’t need client side frameworks to generate dynamic content and it enables two way streaming. However, it does not scale well for extremely large apps. They talk about some of the tradeoffs for using this feature. They conclude by discussing the gap between website optimization and device performance. Panelists
  • Thomas Aylott
  • Dave Ceddia
  • Lucas Reis
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Exploring Reactivity in JavaScript Frameworks - RRU 243

Exploring Reactivity in JavaScript Frameworks - RRU 243

In today's episode, the panel of experts delves into the intricate world of reactivity in JavaScript frameworks. They explore Angular's signal-based approach, React's virtual DOM and hoisting, and how libraries like RxJS and Redux handle reactivity. They also discuss the absence of a universal standard for reactivity in JavaScript and the challenges it presents for developers. Join them as they unravel the complexities of reactivity and its impact on modern application development.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateDeveloper Book Club Become a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipSocial MediaUnvoidLinkedIn @unvoidweb https://www.linkedin.com/company/unvoidwebInstagram @unvoidweb https://www.instagram.com/unvoidwebLucas PaganiniYouTube @lucaspaganiniweb https://youtube.com/@lucaspaganiniwebLinkedIn @lucaspaganiniweb https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucaspaganiniwebTwitter @lucaspaganini https://twitter.com/LucasPaganiniInstagram @lucaspaganini https://www.instagram.com/lucaspaganiniChris FrewinGitHub @princefishthrower https://github.com/princefishthrowerBlog Chris Frewin https://chrisfrew.in/Peter OsahLinkedIn @peterosah https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-osah-744118179/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

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React Component Tests for Humans with Miroslav Nikolov - RRU 242

React Component Tests for Humans with Miroslav Nikolov - RRU 242

On this episode of React Round Up we chatted with Miroslav Nikolov, a UI developer at one.com, about his approach to unit testing React components. Miroslav discussed writing components in a human-friendly way, using the library UnexpectedJS. We also talked about Miroslav’s blog, including how he got started with it, and some of the tools he used, like Gatsby and Mailchimp. This is a great episode if you’re looking to learn more about how to approach unit testing in React.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateRaygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipLinkswebup.org/blog | Miroslav NikolovUnexpectedJSReact Component Tests for Humans | CSS-TricksmailchimpSubstackPicksMiroslav- erikras.comMiroslav- Application State Management with ReactPaige- Tom Clancy's | Jack RyanTJ- DREAM SPORT Bike Computer Bicycle Speedometer and Odometer 16-Function Wired Bike Computer WaterproofAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

3 Jan 202438min

Using AI for Web Development - RRU 241

Using AI for Web Development - RRU 241

Charles, Lucas, and Peter dive deep into the world of software development and React programming. They explore the intersection of artificial intelligence and the daily work of React developers. They discuss the benefits and challenges of using AI tools such as Copilot, the nuances of turning designer files into code, and the potential impact of AI on web development. Stay tuned as they discuss the role of AI as a learning tool, the importance of accessibility, and their recommendations for tools and resources for developers.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateRaygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipSocial MediaUnvoidLinkedIn @unvoidweb https://www.linkedin.com/company/unvoidwebInstagram @unvoidweb https://www.instagram.com/unvoidwebLucas PaganiniYouTube @lucaspaganiniweb https://youtube.com/@lucaspaganiniwebLinkedIn @lucaspaganiniweb https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucaspaganiniwebTwitter @lucaspaganini https://twitter.com/LucasPaganiniInstagram @lucaspaganini https://www.instagram.com/lucaspaganiniChris FrewinGitHub @princefishthrower https://github.com/princefishthrowerBlog Chris Frewin https://chrisfrew.in/Peter OsahLinkedIn @peterosah https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-osah-744118179/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

20 Dec 202352min

React Codebase Patterns - RRU 240

React Codebase Patterns - RRU 240

They delve into the realm of software development, with a focus on React best practices. In this episode, they dissect the intricacies of component structuring and file management, emphasizing the nuances of design patterns and the prudent use of Redux for state management. Tune in for a deep dive into these critical aspects of development and stay ahead of the curve in your software engineering journey.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateDeveloper Book Club Become a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipSocial MediaUnvoidLinkedIn @unvoidweb https://www.linkedin.com/company/unvoidwebInstagram @unvoidweb https://www.instagram.com/unvoidwebLucas PaganiniYouTube @lucaspaganiniweb https://youtube.com/@lucaspaganiniwebLinkedIn @lucaspaganiniweb https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucaspaganiniwebTwitter @lucaspaganini https://twitter.com/LucasPaganiniInstagram @lucaspaganini https://www.instagram.com/lucaspaganiniChris FrewinGitHub @princefishthrower https://github.com/princefishthrowerBlog Chris Frewin https://chrisfrew.in/Peter OsahLinkedIn @peterosah https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-osah-744118179/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

13 Dec 202352min

How we Deploy our Apps - RRU 239

How we Deploy our Apps - RRU 239

Welcome to the new set of panelists for the React Round Up podcast. Chris Frewin is a full-stack software engineer. Peter Osah is a full-stack software engineer. Lucas Paganini is a senior front-end Engineer.They delve into the world of software development and system architecture. They explore the nuances of vendor lock-in, migration strategies, and the diverse perspectives on deploying single-page applications. Additionally, they share their experiences with various tools, platforms, and cloud providers, shedding light on the challenges and best practices in the ever-evolving landscape of software development.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateRaygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipSocial MediaUnvoidLinkedIn @unvoidweb https://www.linkedin.com/company/unvoidwebInstagram @unvoidweb https://www.instagram.com/unvoidwebLucas PaganiniYouTube @lucaspaganiniweb https://youtube.com/@lucaspaganiniwebLinkedIn @lucaspaganiniweb https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucaspaganiniwebTwitter @lucaspaganini https://twitter.com/LucasPaganiniInstagram @lucaspaganini https://www.instagram.com/lucaspaganiniChris FrewinGitHub @princefishthrower https://github.com/princefishthrowerBlog Chris Frewin https://chrisfrew.in/Peter OsahLinkedIn @peterosah https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-osah-744118179/Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

6 Dec 20231h 1min

Redux, Redux Toolkit, OSS and More with Mark Erikson - RRU 238

Redux, Redux Toolkit, OSS and More with Mark Erikson - RRU 238

Returning guest Mark Erikson joins the React Round Up team to discuss how he found himself in the position of being an open source maintainer for Redux, how he's helped shepherd/author future versions of Redux (and the complete overhauls that happened when React Hooks were introcuded), and the new examples he's written for Redux Toolkit to make Redux easier for devs to get started with. Mark also addresses some commons misconceptions around React and Redux, such as: is React Context a perfect substitute for Redux (spoiler: it's not), and is Redux still relevant today (it is). Take a listen to hear about getting into open source, where Redux is headed and Mark's broader thoughts on helping the React community document and standardize all the options out there so developers have an easier time choosing the tools needed to solve their particular problems.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateRaygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipLinksCheng Lou - On the Spectrum of Abstraction at react-europe 2016Blogged Answers: Why React Context is Not a "State Management" Tool (and Why It Doesn't Replace Redux)Coding Career AdviceGitHub | markerikson/react-community-tools-practices-cheatsheetGitHub | markerikson/react-community-tools-practices-cheatsheet - Initial RFC: Scope and Goals #1Comparison with Other FrameworksRedux Style Guide#Redux Essentials, Part 1: Redux Overview and Concepts#Redux Fundamentals, Part 1: Redux Overview#Redux ToolkitRTK QueryJavaScript for Java-ish DevelopersMark's Dev BlogTwitter: Mark Erikson ( @acemarke )GitHub | Mark EriksonPicksCarl- Writing for Software Developers by Philip Kiely Mark- Josh ComeauPaige- Open source password manager - BitwardenTJ- Bowflex SelectTech DumbbellsZain- GitHub | zalmoxisus/redux-devtools-extensionAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

22 Nov 20231h 5min

How Do I Introduce New Tech at Work? - RRU 237

How Do I Introduce New Tech at Work? - RRU 237

Today the panel is discussing how to introduce new tech at work. They agree that it’s important to get input from all teams on the decision, although it will primarily affect the development team. One should also consider the different ways people make decisions, such as through discussion or quiet thinking, and give everyone time to come to a decision. The panel talks about positive and negative examples of how to introduce new tech at work. Thomas believes that it is important to acknowledge your own biases in decision making and to try to avoid them. The React experts discuss the significance of the team dynamic and the necessity of different roles in decision making or if it is better to have an organic discovery phase. This relates to Thomas’ point about personal biases, and he believes that it is important to put people in roles that are opposite of their personality. When making decisions about new technology, it is also important to note that not all decisions require the same amount of input, and they discuss how to measure how much input is required for a decision.SponsorsChuck's Resume TemplateRaygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipLinksVue12 React Best Practices You Need to Follow in 2019SaulTest && commit || revertVS Code ESLintPicksThomas - Teachable MachineCharles - White ChristmasCharles - Holiday InnChris - Practical React HooksAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

8 Nov 202337min

Navigating React Navigation with Zain Sajjad - RRU 236

Navigating React Navigation with Zain Sajjad - RRU 236

Zain Sajjad is a frontend developer at his company Peekaboo Guru, an app built in React. The show begins with Zain explaining why he chose to build Peekaboo Guru in React. Ultimately, he chose React for its composability and reusability. He talks about how much data is shared between his React and React Native applications.Zain explains what he means by a container since he is not talking about Docker, and how he has the app organized. He talks about the differences between routing and navigation between React and React Native. When approaching these differences, he breaks things down into components, containers, and platform, paying careful attention to how they work together. This differentiation can actually help a lot with testing as well. SponsorsChuck's Resume Template Raygun - Application Monitoring For Web & Mobile AppsBecome a Top 1% Dev with a Top End Devs MembershipLinksPeekaboo GuruReactReact NativeReact Native NavigationReact NavigationSQLTensorFlowFun Fun FunctionImmer.jsPicksLucas - Ember.jsLucas - 3Blue1BrownThomas - Rite in the Rain notepadAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/react-round-up--6102072/support.

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