Ep 137. To Recognise a Palestinian State
Disorder19 Aug

Ep 137. To Recognise a Palestinian State

It is our favourite time of the month. Jane and Jason take on the mega orderering listeners’ questions – focussing mostly on the Middle East, the Trump-Putin summit, and any rays of ordering hope that might be on the horizon. They look at the unlikely role of UN peacekeeping forces in the West Bank, whether the UK, Australia, and France recognising Palestinian Statehood would help anything, and ways to unblock potential pathways to peace in Gaza. Plus: why Trump wants his summit with Putin, the increasing role of disinformation in democracies and finally, as always we try to Order the Disorder by offer some rays hope as to where there could be some Order in our mad mad mad mad world. Jason proposes that people power might be the answer and teasers his forthcoming book project. Producer: George McDonagh Subscribe to our Substack - https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ And Join the paid substack to hear Jason’s story about Israelis behaving badly in Monaco and how it is a metaphor for their isolation globally and the resentment that that breeds. Disorder on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@DisorderShow Show Notes Links: Listen to Jason on BBC Radio Five Live (from 45:40) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002gzxy Read The Limits of Recognition - The Atlantic https://apple.news/AX2K3dnwnQBy2oE9J40g7Eg The New York declaration of the recent UN conference on a two-state solution in Israel Palestine https://press.un.org/en/2025/pal2250.doc.htm Read Russia and Ukraine must seek a proper framework for talks, says Juan Manuel Santos https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2025/07/25/russia-and-ukraine-must-seek-a-proper-framework-for-talks-says-juan-manuel-santos Read How to End the Russia-Ukraine War by Thomas Graham https://www.cfr.org/article/how-end-russia-ukraine-war Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Ep5. Migration, climate, and our era of disorder

Ep5. Migration, climate, and our era of disorder

Migration has become one of the most emotive political topics. Fears surrounding the topic are essential to the rise of Neo-Populism. All the while, migration is increasing; over the past decade over 50 million more people have been moving internationally than in previous decades. So how does migration work (or not work) in our era of global disorder? What problems does it solve and what problems does it create? Can disordered migration be curbed and the benefits of ‘orderly’ migration achieved in a more regulated manner? Or do we have a humanitarian imperative to preserve even disorderly migration?    In this episode, Parag Khanna discusses how creating a transparent and fair global market for migrants could help optimize the economics behind migration. Lawrence Huang analyses how the current global management of migration operates and why the way Neo-Populists constant diatribes about ‘uncontrolled migration’ are harming any real attempts to order the space. In the ‘Ordering the Disorder’ segment, Alex and Jason debate what international coordination mechanisms are needed to deal with mass migration and whether coherent collective action could ever emerge to forge implementable solutions.    Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/climate-change-geopolitics     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Notes Link  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here    Get Parag Khanna’s book “Move: Where People Are going For A better future” here   For more on Lawrence Huang’s work visit here Read Alex's piece on migration for the Byline Times here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

3 Okt 202343min

Ep4. Who is leading the disorder?

Ep4. Who is leading the disorder?

It has long been held that the primary disorderers on the global stage are China and Russia. Let’s not forget, though, that medium powers, such as Iran, are also able to majorly disorder geopolitics. Meanwhile, imploded post-conflict countries like Libya are capable of injecting serious financial and jihadi contagion into neighbouring states and fuelling the Global Enduring Disorder.    In this episode, we discuss how the tooth and nail struggle for global leadership leads some states to play the role of disorderers. We also examine how failures to coordinate at the international level exacerbate problems on the ground. In specific, we break down how Iran promotes global disorder as a strategy to increase its influence (via an interview with Ali Ansari) and how Libya’s profound domestic disorder infects the global system (through talking to Stephanie Williams).      Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/struggle-for-global-leadership     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here  For more on Ali Ansari, visit here    For more from Stephanie Williams, visit here  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

26 Sep 202344min

Ep2. Who Referees Cyberspace?

Ep2. Who Referees Cyberspace?

Although the birth of the internet was an interplay between American defense contractors and American tech firms, the US government actively chose to not regulate the commercial aspects of what it had birthed.     From disinformation to cyber warfare, how can we better control the internet and stop it from reinforcing the Global Enduring Disorder? In this episode, former FBI Agent Asha Rangappa helps us understand what makes these new technologies so disruptive and how the West’s adversaries understand the politics of cyberspace. War Correspondent David Patrikarakos tells us about the physical impact of these new technologies on ongoing conflicts. Both conclude that our leaders have been naïve about the fact that for more than a decade we have been facing an existential multi-front cyber-war.     Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/unregulated-cyberspace    Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links    For more from Asha Rangappa, subscribe to her email newsletter, The Freedom Academy here. She is also co-host of the podcast, It’s Complicated, with Renato Mariotti which you can find here.   Get David Patrikarakos’ book, War in 140 Characters: How Social Media Is Reshaping Conflict in the Twenty-First Century here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202346min

Ep3. The Rise of the Neo-Populists

Ep3. The Rise of the Neo-Populists

Over the past few decades leaders like Trump, Orban, and Bolsonaro have ridden a wave of popular outrage to rise to power. But what came first: the Neo-Populists or the era of Global Enduring Disorder?    In this episode we chart the rise of the Neo-Populists, their impact on global order, and what we can do to stop them. Sean Wilentz explains the difference between real populism (like Bernie Sanders) and ‘faux’ or neo-populists (like Trump), while Anne Applebaum takes us through the missed opportunities and co-ordination failures of the post-Cold War years.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/neo-populism    Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links    For more from Anne Applebaum here      For more on Sean Wilentz here   For more on Jonathan Winer here   For more on Jamie Shea here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202343min

Ep1. Welcome to the Global Enduring Disorder

Ep1. Welcome to the Global Enduring Disorder

We are living through an unprecedented era. International institutions like the UN are incapable of tackling global challenges, disordering powers like China and Russia are actively promoting chaos rather than order, and democratic countries are not effectively coordinating on transnational threats. The result? An era of Global Enduring Disorder has swept the world. We see it in the rise and fall of Trump, Bolsonaro, and Boris, inaction on climate change, and never-ending civil wars in Yemen, Ukraine, Syria, and Libya.    In this episode, Jason Pack and Alexandra Hall Hall share their personal journeys and walk us through the fundamental features of our era of Disorder. We hear from esteemed historian Timothy Garton Ash, who will chart how the West has frayed, while author and podcaster Brian Klaas will tell us why democracies frequently pick the wrong leaders—especially in times of crisis.    Disorder is produced by George McDonagh. Theme music is “These Spreadsheets Make Me Sick” by Glass Boy. Other music is provided by Glass Boy and Luca La Morgia.    Twitter: @DisorderShow    Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com     Producer: George McDonagh  Exec Producer: Neil Fearn    Show Note Links  Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here     For more from Brian Klaas, subscribe to his substack here   Get Timothy Garton Ash’s book, Homelands here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

19 Sep 202351min

Disorder - OUT NOW

Disorder - OUT NOW

Gone are the days of coherent international coordination. Rather than working together to solve pressing crises, many of the world’s most powerful states are actively making those crises worse. The result? We’re living through a novel historical era: The Global Enduring Disorder.     The Disorder podcast teases out the key principles that connect seemingly disparate challenges: from Climate Change to Tax Havens, to Unregulated Cyberspace, to the Wars in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya. Jason Pack, NATO Foundation Senior Analyst, and Alexandra Hall Hall, a former British Ambassador, discuss with world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, the fundamental principles lurking behind today’s global issues. At the conclusion of each episode, they will proposing inventive, win-win solutions to the globe’s most pressing challenges aka, ‘Ordering the Disorder’.    Website:  disordershow.com https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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