Daniel Jacobson on DevOps for Desktop Applications - Episode 59

Daniel Jacobson on DevOps for Desktop Applications - Episode 59

Today’s guest is Daniel Jacobson, a Program Management Lead on the Visual Studio team focused on empowering Windows Developers. Daniel was one of the speakers at the .NET Conf 2019 and will also be at the 2019 Microsoft Ignite conference! Daniel joined Microsoft about 5 years ago as a Program Manager. And now, as a Senior PM on the Visual Studio team, Daniel’s focus is on the biggest challenge that developers are facing anywhere in their development. His team empowers literally millions of developers building applications for Windows devices. All that they do is centered around customers and their desires.

In this episode, Daniel and Jeffrey speak about DevOps for desktop applications. Daniel shares his vision for empowering all Windows application developers to seamlessly and incrementally modernize their existing applications through the work that he and his team is doing. Daniel largely focuses on the Visual Studio App Center in this episode, going into detail about each and every step you need to know about when integrating it, and provides additional resources at the end of the episode to further your learning. Tune in!

Topics of Discussion:

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[:49] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[3:27] About today’s guest, Daniel Jacobson!

[3:53] Jeffrey welcomes Daniel to the show!

[4:04] Daniel speaks about his journey in the space and how he ended up where he is today.

[5:54] What is a client application? What makes them different?

[9:52] What are the choices available for those looking to run a native Windows application on the Microsoft platform?

[13:32] With WinForms, WPF, and .NET Core 3.0 coming out, what things can we not yet do if we’re trying to go to .NET Core 3.0? What should people watch out for?

[15:55] Daniel explains all we need to know about Visual Studio App Center!

[17:30] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[17:55] If somebody is upgrading an older WinForms’ app into .NET Core, would they track their work on Azure Boards or does App Center provide work item tracking?

[18:58] Does the App Center integrate with existing source control? And following that, does the App Center support an automated build process?

[20:01] After the build and you’ve got a numbered release candidate package of some sort, what should the developer do?

[23:03] Is this all ready to go today for developers to use?

[23:25] Daniel explains the next step in the process once you have the package ready and are ready to deploy to your first pre-production environment or test group of users. He elaborates on what that looks like and what tool to use.

[24:31] Daniel continues to explain what the package does once it is in App Center and what the chain of pre-production environments look like.

[25:16] When users get the latest version of your app, is that going through the Microsoft store? What will automated updates look like in the future?

[26:31] So will App Center feature be a full-on replacement for ClickOnce? And what is it called?

[29:46] Is the Microsoft business store ‘a thing?’

[30:17] Does App Center have an integration with the Microsoft store?

[30:38] What does the process look like to actually ‘go to production?’

[32:19] Are Xamarin, operational telemetry, crash reports, etc. all wired into App Center?

[33:36] Looking forward, what is Daniel’s vision for the future?

[35:11] Daniel highlights some valuable resources for listeners that want to learn more!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

Microsoft Ignite 2019

Party with Palermo - Microsoft Ignite Conference 2019 (Eventbrite)

Special pre-release offer that expires Nov. 2nd: email Jeffrey at Jeffrey@Clear-Measure.com and tell him who his very first guest on the podcast was then he’ll send you a free e-book copy!

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Pre-order on Amazon here!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure e-book!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Jeffrey’s .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX)

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events!

Daniel Jacobson’s Twitter: @PMatmic

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MSIX App Installer

XAML Islands

WinForms
WPF

.NET Core 3.0

Azure Pipelines

App Center

Azure Boards

ClickOnce

URL-Based Windows Installer

Xamarin

DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/VisualStudio

DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/DotNet

Aka.ms/MSIX

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Ted Neward: Managing A Software Engineering Department  - Episode 299

Ted Neward: Managing A Software Engineering Department - Episode 299

Ted Neward is sometimes referred to as “The Dude of Software,” owing to both his remarkable (some say frightening) resemblance to the Jeff Bridges character from “The Big Lebowski,” and his ordination as a Dudeist Minister of the Church of the Latter-Day Dude, but he’s also been called the ”Dr. Gregory House of Software,” owing to his tendency to pull no punches when talking about software and how to deliver it successfully. He’s comfortable answering to either title, as well as a few others. He’s familiar with more programming languages than most people knew existed and hasn’t found one yet that he couldn’t turn into a “mission-critical” application when asked.   Topics of Discussion: [4:36] Ted talks about building a tribe and developing a community. [6:48] Leveraging the “who you know” network. [7:21] Tips for keeping track of your network. [9:44] Effective software team management. [13:10] The importance of shifting perspective from individual success to team success. [16:16] The component of compassion in management. [17:53] Managers should actually want to be managers. [18:43] Retaining employees and realizing that management skills need to be recognized and developed. [27:02] The tipping point of needing to hire a full-fledged IT department. [32:34] Advice for managers on the people side. [34:08] Team success metrics, weekly one-on-ones, and building psychological safety. [38:32] Importance of team happiness and direct communication with executives for successful software development. [43:52] Developing the skills of leadership. [44:39] Remembering that not all management is evil.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! C# In a Nutshell ted.neward@gmail.com Ted Neward LinkedIn Neward Associates   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Dan Garfield: GitOps with Kubernetes - Episode 298

Dan Garfield: GitOps with Kubernetes - Episode 298

Dan Garfield is the Co-founder of Codefresh, a CI/CD platform powered by GitOps and Argo now acquired by Octopus Deploy. As the VP Open Source and Argo Maintainer, he works primarily on Argo CD and Argo Rollouts. He helped create the GitOps Working Group and Open GitOps Principles. He helped create the most popular GitOps certification with Argo CD and writes consistently about best practices for GitOps involving Security, Development processes, and scaling.   Topics of Discussion: [2:37] Dan Garfield’s career journey and his interest in technology from a young age. [4:17] The inspiration behind creating Codefresh. [7:57] Going all in on Kubernetes. [9:55] Meeting Paul, the CEO of Octopus. [10:37] We’re still in the early days of Kubernetes. [12:27] What’s the default choice for deploying to Kubernetes? [15:08] The importance of unified software delivery. [16:50] Linux native crowd adopted containers first, while .NET developers were slow to adopt due to compatibility issues. [22:53] What does Argo CD do? [25:04] GitOps Principles. [29:28] Managing microservices in a dynamic infrastructure. [32:29] Environment management, promotion workflows, and traceability. [34:30] Where exactly the balance between Argo and CodeFresh fits in. [35:09] GitOps Certification.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Dan Garfield LinkedIn What is GitOps? Learning Codefresh GitOps Certification   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Richard Campbell: The Future of Software - Episode 297

Richard Campbell: The Future of Software - Episode 297

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry on both the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and was on the board of directors of Telerik, which was acquired by Progress Software in 2014. Today, he is a consultant and advisor to a number of successful technology firms and is the founder and chairman of Humanitarian Toolbox (www.htbox.org), a public charity that builds open-source software for disaster relief. Richard also hosts three podcasts: .NET Rocks! (www.dotnetrocks.com) for .NET developers, RunAs Radio (www.runasradio.com) for IT Professionals, and Windows Weekly (https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly).   Topics of Discussion: [2:24] Richard’s podcasting career over 20 years and his advice for new podcasters. [6:30] The common topics that Richard talks about. [11:32] Adaptive cruise control and limitations of current AI. [13:34] Potential for autonomous trucks and freight trains. [16:12] Improving software user experience with machine learning. [17:32] How AI may change (and not change) 10 years from now. [19:32] How the voice interface has gotten better. [22:21] The impact of automation on software development jobs. [28:19] The appropriate uses of low-code platforms. [33:29] Habits vs. wisdom. [37:25] The future of augmented reality. [39:15] Importance of experimenting with different tools. [42:43] How augmented reality may disrupt smartphones. [43:49] Jamming out on your tools, much like a musician experimenting. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! “Richard Campbell on the History of .NET - Episode 133”   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Philip Japikse: Migrating from .NET Framework to .NET 8 - Episode 296

Philip Japikse: Migrating from .NET Framework to .NET 8 - Episode 296

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6 Maj 202443min

Brady Gaster: .NET Cloud Native - Episode 295

Brady Gaster: .NET Cloud Native - Episode 295

Brady Gaster is a Principal Program Manager on the .NET and Visual Studio team at Microsoft where he works on Orleans, SignalR, microservices, APIs, and integration with Azure service teams in hopes of making it exciting for developers who work on .NET apps to party in the cloud!   Topics of Discussion: [2:49] Brady’s career highlights and how throwing parties prepared him for Microsoft. [4:07] History of Microsoft’s publishing tools and their evolution towards cloud-native development. [7:37] Using Azure Container Apps for containerization and publishing to Kubernetes. [13:42] Using Aspire for containerized applications in Azure, including toolchain and orchestration. [17:36] Simplifying software development with automation. [23:27] Azure subscriptions and provisioning for developers. [25:38] AZD infra synth. [26:15] Using Azure DevOps and Azure Development Environments for named environments in .NET development. [30:39] The system of record for the names of the environments. [37:13] What we can look forward to with the next release. [38:37] What should we know about Microsoft Learn so far?   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! “Brady Gaster: Orleans — Episode 221” NET Aspire Preview 4 .NET Aspire Documentation Brady Gaster   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

29 Apr 202440min

Raziel Tabib: GitOps - Episode 294

Raziel Tabib: GitOps - Episode 294

Raziel is the Senior Vice President of Codefresh at Octopus Deploy. He is an entrepreneur, technology enthusiast, and software developer at heart. He is the Founder of Codefresh and is passionate about accelerating the way software is disrupting our day-to-day life by simplifying the way we deploy applications.   Topics of Discussion: [2:23] When Raziel first got interested in making a difference in the industry. [3:05] The role of the software developer has evolved over time. [7:11] What is GitOps? [14:46] Overlap with the concept of infrastructure as code. [14:57] Simplifying software deployment using GitOps. [20:44] Why it’s an exciting time to be in software development. [22:55] What can we do with Codefresh? [25:24] Does Codefresh work with other infrastructure types? [26:29] Storing and managing application configuration and infrastructure code in separate Git repositories. [29:10] What are the most common reasons this infrastructure repository would have a commit pushed to it? [35:27] Codefresh joining Octopus Deploy.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Codefresh OpenGitOps   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

22 Apr 202441min

Glenn Condron: .NET Web Development - Episode 293

Glenn Condron: .NET Web Development - Episode 293

Glenn is a Principal Product Manager for the App Platform team within the Developer Division at Microsoft, focusing on .NET. Before joining Microsoft, Glenn was a developer in Australia where he worked on software for various government departments.   Topics of Discussion: [2:47] Glenn’s career path. [6:33] The old .NET vs the new .NET. [8:09] .NET was initially Windows-only but is now being rebuilt as open-source, cross-platform software. [9:40] The evolution of .NET. [9:53] .NET core. [14:04] New features and ideas presented at .NET Conf. [16:26] Aspire. [18:58] Every piece of an Aspire solution uses open Telemetry as a standard. [19:26] Redis.  [27:15] Aspire knows all the “what’ and “how” to deploy to the cloud, without explicit cloud knowledge. [32:36] The intent of AZD. [36:57] Handling the components of Aspire. [40:21] How to add custom resources to Aspire. [41:00] Opinionated vs non-opinionated development in the .NET ecosystem.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Glenn Condron on New Capabilities on .NET - Ep 58 Glenn C GitHub DevBlogs Glenn C Building Cloud Native Apps with .NET 8 Introducing .NET Aspire   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

15 Apr 202445min

Richard Hundhausen: Product Ownership - Episode 292

Richard Hundhausen: Product Ownership - Episode 292

Richard Hundhausen helps software organizations and teams deliver better products by understanding and leveraging Azure DevOps and Scrum. He is a Professional Scrum Trainer, Professional Scrum Developer, author of Professional Scrum with Azure DevOps (MS Press), and co-creator of the Nexus Scaled Scrum framework. As a software developer and consultant with over 30 years of experience, he understands that software is built and delivered by people and not by processes or tools.   Topics of Discussion: [3:03] Is it really that easy to teach developers? [3:34] Scrum implementation and best practices for developers and managers. [5:11] What is a Scrum trainer and developer? [6:40] Reminding teams to talk to each other and deliver value earlier. [6:47] Remembering not just the nouns, but the verbs: improve, collaborate, share, love the values, commit, have courage, be open, have focus, and be respectful. [8:39] The importance of having the right teams. [12:04] Improving software development efficiency through cross-functional teams. [13:47] The importance of being a self-managing team. [15:04] When we outsource everything to HR to find a good culture, that can perpetuate the “it’s someone else’s job” mentality. [15:24] Bigger companies vs. smaller companies. [17:44] Giving creatives the space to create. [21:09] HDD (Hypothesis-driven development) can help us learn early and adapt. [29:27] The importance of focusing on outcomes and impacts, rather than just measuring resources, activities, and outputs. [31:08] Outcomes and impacts are where we should be focused. [32:40] One percent of product owners using Scrum as intended? [33:27] Even if you don’t have a product owner, have someone who orders the work.   Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Accentient Upgrade Your Team Daniel Pink Practicing Hypothesis-Driven Development in Azure DevOps “Richard Hundhausen on Professional Scrum — Ep 100”   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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