Quitting Spotify (ft. Deerhoof)
Switched on Pop25 Nov 2025

Quitting Spotify (ft. Deerhoof)

In June 2025, indie veterans Deerhoof scrubbed their entire catalog from the world’s dominant streaming platform. The catalyst wasn't low royalties, but Spotify co-founder Daniel Ek’s investment in AI military technology through his investment firm Prima Materia. Greg Saunier and Satomi Matsuzaki explain why they are prioritizing their ethics over exposure. They argue that the "convenience" of streaming traps us in harmful systems. They’d prefer listeners explore alternative paths to hear their music. That’s why the band premiered their latest single on Craigslist. And it’s they half jokingly say they "would rather our fans steal our music than stream our music at this point." SONGS DISCUSSED Deerhoof: Immigrant Song, Scarcity is Manufactured, Life is Suffering, Return of the Return of the Fire Trick Star MORE Get Zach Tenorio's synth extraveganza 'Field Trip' Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Audrey Hobert says the quiet part out loud

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2026 Pop Predictions: big beat, animated avatars, and Bruno Mars

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Naughty or nice? The 2025 holiday music round up

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Why pop songwriters break the rules (ft. Amy Allen)

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