#13 Care, Dare & Share with Dr. Susan Goldsworthy OLY (Part 2)

The deepest illusion of our time is believing we are separate.

That’s the line that opens Part 2 of our conversation with Susan Goldsworthy — and it’s where Care and Dare give way to something Susan added deliberately: Share.

Not sharing as in information or updates, but as in vulnerability, interdependence, and the courage to let others hold you too.

This is also where the conversation zooms out — from individual leaders to organisations, from leadership frameworks to the world we’re actually living in.

In this conversation, we explore:

Why Care and Dare alone weren’t enough — and what Share adds to the foundation

The shift from ‘power over’ to ‘power with,’ and why our current systems were arguably never fit for purpose

How to befriend your autonomic nervous system — Susan’s FIT framework (Flow, Intent, Trust) and why presence is a leadership skill

What Susan herself still finds hardest, after decades of this work — and a final tribute to the original secure base in her life

If you haven’t listened to Part 1 yet, start there.

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About Susan Goldsworthy & Secure Base Leadership:

https://www.imd.org/research-knowledge/books/care-dare-share-the-secure-base-coach/

https://www.imd.org/iecc/imd-executive-coaching-certificate/

Season 2 Episodes:

9. Getting Serious About Joy (published)

10. Living More with Less (published)

11. Who Gets Heard (published)

12. Care, Dare, Share — Part 1 (published)

13. Care, Dare, Share — Part 2 (published)

14. Self-Leadership and Reflection

15. Beyond the Fruit Basket: Re-thinking good work with Prof. Antoinette Weibel

16. Non-Doing: why we should do less and leave more undone

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#12 Care, Dare & Share with Dr. Susan Goldsworthy OLY (Part 1)

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20 Aug 41min

#11 On Speaking Up And Getting Heard

Psychological safety isn't the absence of discomfort — it's whether speaking up feels worth the risk. For our first guest episode, we sat down with Nina Rossiana, who previously worked in Anita's team...

6 Aug 54min

#10 Living More With Less

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9 Jul 53min

#9 Getting Serious About Joy

Welcome to Season 2 of The Catastrophe Café — same spirit, new guests, more perspectives. And we’re kicking it off with a paradox. Getting serious about joy. Yes, that’s exactly what we did. Because ...

18 Jun 36min

#8 In Praise of Curiosity and Courage

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1 Mai 37min

#7 Navigating Relationships

The world’s longest study on happiness — running since 1938 — found that close relationships matter more for health and longevity than money, fame, genetics or IQ. Yet most of us treat relationships a...

2 Apr 32min

#6 Habits - Stability or Stagnation?

Habits run 70% of our decisions on autopilot. That's both a superpower and a trap. We all have routines that ground us and free up mental energy for what matters. But some habits quietly keep us stuck...

12 Mar 34min